Sk trespass law being changed; just a heads up

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skhunter said:
Yep, if only this law had been in place earlier the whole Boushie incident would never have happened.
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LOL

It would not have happened if they were not criminals trying to steal private property from privately owned land they did not have permission to be on. But carry on with your BS

Shawn
 
coyoteking said:
Farmers contribute far more to urban Centers than vice versa.


The grid road system was built at a time when 90% of Saskatchewan’s population was rural.
The province has been majority urban for 50 years, cost of upgrades are generally spread over whole province, many city people will never use grids why should they be funding them ( I get it's good for economy and trickle down effects of farmers spending in cities)

Same goes for the electrical grid.

The power lines that feed the cities cross agricultural land.
(Are they not reimbursed for the land used by big lines?)

Producers have historically paid far more education taxes than urbanites. ( No idea, goes with your pay for play less effecient system should cost more)

All those ag equipment factories, equipment dealerships, ag supply companies and farm shows that generate huge amounts of income and tax revenue in the urban Centers are thanks to farmers.
I don't disagree but our province is set up to support the farmers with infrastructure that enables it to be effecient, farmers don't pay for all of the infrastructure even if they are the only ones that use it.

As for “shaking down the people than enable your lifestyle”? You’re talking out of your ass. The rural agricultural industry contributes 10 fold to the urbanites over what we receive.
Your phone plan for 10 gigs of data is the same cost as someone in Regina or Saskatoon even though it costs more to supply you due to the customers being spread out, power will be the same. The people in the city should be charged less and the rural person should be charged more. That's not how we do things in Saskatchewan and it seems a little late in the ball game to say everyone should pay for what they use when it'd be crippling to people living in the middle of no where to shoulder the costs of what they use at replacement value ( land isn't $200 a quarter any more so why not value everything at it's real value)

I don’t agree with charging fees for access but reading posts like yours are definitely pushing me in that direction.
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Go ahead, it's your land, I don't get upset when I see posted land, I avoid it. I also avoid most private land even if I have permission to stay away from road hunters.
The whole paying for what you use is what pisses me off as that's not how our society works. It's spread out over everyone even if you don't use it. Pretty sure if that's how it was the rurals would become a wasteland in the near future as population density goes down and the price of everything goes up.
 
Kelly Timoffee said:
Not even close to what I'm trying to say.
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Sorry about that, not sure why I'm quoting just you but it was the whole pay for play that gets me going. Hundreds of thousands of people pay to support things that are used by a limited few and that's the way it's always been. Obviously its a crime that someone should pay for whenever someone damages someone's property.
 
skhunter said:
Do you think farmers don't pay taxes, don't have crown corp bills and have free cell service?
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Farmers pay taxes, and crown corp bills. Everyone pays the same for a sasktel bill for the same service. The farmers bill is lower because the city folk pay more than they would. Its balanced out to give us a first world standard of living instead of a bunch if isolated people that need to fork over a million dollars to get cell service in their area.
 
kingsizetm said:
It is not the attitude of some lessees of grazing/agriculture leases. It is the the trespass law and the policy of the Ministry of Agriculture Land Branch. Agriculture lease holders have the same rights as private landowners to make the control decisions as to who has access to the land. 12 months of the year. I hold a grazing lease tract and can absolutely post it no hunting/trespassing if I were to so choose. I have confirmed this with the Ministry. The only ones I cannot deny access to is Ministry employees or those that they authorize access( eg. Oil and gas). This is different from unoccupied Crown lands which to my knowledge are open to any member of the public. I do not post my lease or deny access to hunters. But with the new law coming in I think you should clarify the Crown lands rules for yourself. It could avoid possible conflict with an irate lease holder.
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According to the CO's you need to give permission for 500m from the fence on leased crown land too if it's occupied by cattle. Then Nov 1 it turns unoccupied
 
Ridersfan said:
Your view on the rural folks is pretty f'ed up. If you think that the cities contribute everything and the rurals are just leeches... then you stay in your city. Us rurals can saw down the power poles coming into your precious city. Shut down the power plant in the scum of the earth rural area. In fact, stay the f out of the rurals if you want to hunt a deer. Oh, you want bread? grow your own wheat and mill your own flour. It's your bad attitude that rural land owners are sick of and want to keep the hell off their land. Give your attitudae a reality check and realize that without the rurals, the cities are nothing but a cesspool
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Not from the city, don't have any issue with farmers. At is the biggest part of our economy and employs tons of people indirectly and adds to the provincial coffers.

I don't like people saying you should pay for what you use when they can't pay for what they use. Infrastructure is damn expensive so it's cost is spread out across society as it benefits everyone even if they don't use it. If you want people to pay for what they use only a select few can afford it and everyone else suffers. It's easy to say go pay for what you use when others have funded and built up what you use over the last 100 years.
 
sask31 said:
According to the CO's you need to give permission for 500m from the fence on leased crown land too if it's occupied by cattle. Then Nov 1 it turns unoccupied
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Well that is a different answer than I got from the Ministry of Agriculture. My grazing lease is from January 1 to December 31 every year. When I was having issues with ATVs chasing cattle I consulted with the ministry reps to see my options for controlling access. They suggested year round chain and padlocked gates with firm no trespassing signage. I had inquired as to my responsibility to allow access to hunters. The ministry rep said I was under no obligation to provide any access to anyone except ministry employees or those that they authorized. That being said I have never had any issue with any hunters on my lease. Generally cows are home before seasons start anyway so no real chance for conflict.The only lands that I see open up on Nov 1 are community pastures or PFRA. It wouldn't surprise me if there was policy conflict between different government branches. I wouldn't expect the COs to know all the Ministry of Agriculture policies or the Ministry to have any idea about hunting policies.
 
kingsizetm said:
Well that is a different answer than I got from the Ministry of Agriculture. My grazing lease is from January 1 to December 31 every year. When I was having issues with ATVs chasing cattle I consulted with the ministry reps to see my options for controlling access. They suggested year round chain and padlocked gates with firm no trespassing signage. I had inquired as to my responsibility to allow access to hunters. The ministry rep said I was under no obligation to provide any access to anyone except ministry employees or those that they authorized. That being said I have never had any issue with any hunters on my lease. Generally cows are home before seasons start anyway so no real chance for conflict.The only lands that I see open up on Nov 1 are community pastures or PFRA. It wouldn't surprise me if there was policy conflict between different government branches. I wouldn't expect the COs to know all the Ministry of Agriculture policies or the Ministry to have any idea about hunting policies.
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Sorry I should have specified that is for certain pfra and water security lands which are leased out until Nov 1.
 
sask31 said:
Sorry I should have specified that is for certain pfra and water security lands which are leased out until Nov 1.
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No worries. It is a complex issue with different answers depending on the land designation and well, who you ask. In my zone alone there is private land, native crown land( both reserve and purchased by the band), crown agriculture lease ( both crop and grazing), lease land owned by the local RM , PFRA, and private grazing co-ops. Trying to find an answer that covers it all is not an easy task.
 
sask31 said:
Farmers pay taxes, and crown corp bills. Everyone pays the same for a sasktel bill for the same service. The farmers bill is lower because the city folk pay more than they would. Its balanced out to give us a first world standard of living instead of a bunch if isolated people that need to fork over a million dollars to get cell service in their area.
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So there are areas in the city with no cell service or high speed internet? There sure is out here.

Why aren't my roads paved? Why didn't the government dig me a well?

A few years ago I needed power run a pump for watering my cattle. It cost over $5000.00 to have Saskpower put in 4 poles and a meter. I now have 2 bills.

How much of that line did you pay for? Power and gas rates are higher for rural customers.

Using your reasoning, do you think people should have to pay a fee to golf?
 
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sask31 said:
Not from the city, don't have any issue with farmers. At is the biggest part of our economy and employs tons of people indirectly and adds to the provincial coffers.

I don't like people saying you should pay for what you use when they can't pay for what they use. Infrastructure is damn expensive so it's cost is spread out across society as it benefits everyone even if they don't use it. If you want people to pay for what they use only a select few can afford it and everyone else suffers. It's easy to say go pay for what you use when others have funded and built up what you use over the last 100 years.
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So seeing how farming adds so much to jobs and taxes, why should farmers have to pay to use the land they use?
 
skhunter said:
Yep. Don't want people on your land, get off your a$$ and post it.
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Why? Wouldn’t a much simpler solution be to put the onus on the trespasser to request access?

It’s how it’s done in 99% of the rest of the world.

Why can’t you get off your a$$ and post your land “open to hunting”?
 
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