My point exactly. Practice to become proficient. No matter WHAT the platform. I am comfortable taking kneeling shots with any of my SKS' out to 100yds. But I have taken quite a few before I land on a hunting area. Numerous posts are on here saying that an SKS that is a 3MOA rifle is unsuitable for hunting. At 200 yards it has a 6" group. However, their 7mmRM is a 1.5MOA rifle and they have no qualms about shooting an animal at 400yds...same size group. Same size kill zone. Same result. What makes it better for them?
SKS accuracy
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^^this is a good response.
Oh my. I've been "called out" on the internet!
What you call a " buttload of effort" I just call mounting a scope. I guess to some that's lots of effort?
Anyway here are the group sizes I listed for the scoped rifle, I already posted.
3 shots= 1.5" group
5 shots= 2.5" group
8 shots= 3" group
9 shots= 3.5" group
The iron sighted rifle was about 3". Just as accurate as many other rifles that have been used for hunting for years. The accuracy is probably greater than many high end double rifles of yesteryear, actually.
If a guy wants to hunt with an SKS, treat it like a 30-30 and have at it. Anyone that says the SKS isn't suitable simply doesn't know enough about hunting and hunting weaponry.
Well, I bought some goodies for my SKS. I wouldn't have normally gone full pimp, but I run a little shooting business in Whistler and take clients out shooting, and I knew they would like it. Here it is:
Pretty comical to bolt on so much extra $$$ gear on a rifle I bought for $75, but the clients seem to think it's cool
So I doubt the Archangel stock does anything to help accuracy, but it looks cool and is comfortable to shoot. the Wartak rail gives a more solid scope mounting platform and the rifle shoots reasonably well. I was just using the little front handgrip/bipod combo thing as a rest and shooting at 100 yards:
There are 3 different scope adjustments on this target. I didn't have a marker with me or I would have written on the target.
What you are looking at is:
Top left:
3 shot group (adjust scope to right and down)
Middle of target, above the X ring. (8 ring), single shot (adjusted scope to hit a little lower)
Center of target. X, 9,8 horizontal string, 3 shot group. Left scope alone after that as I wanted it hitting center at 100
Ammo used is some Ukrainian stuff I bought from Canadammo.
I think this is about as good as it would get. Maybe I could use a better target with a more defined aiming point next time. Maybe I could use my proper bench rest tripod and rear bag. Maybe I could use some handloads. I've got dies but just don't see myself bothering, as I have no great desire to hunt with this rifle. Actually if I was to hunt with it I would put the stock magazine back on.
I'm sure the scope mount isn't perfectly solid, but it seems ok. I didn't do anything to the trigger. It is ok too. I think if a guy wanted to hunt with an SKS all he has to do is improve the sighting system with either a Wartak rail and scope on it, or a rear aperture sight. I think the sights are the key.
Pretty comical to bolt on so much extra $$$ gear on a rifle I bought for $75, but the clients seem to think it's cool
So I doubt the Archangel stock does anything to help accuracy, but it looks cool and is comfortable to shoot. the Wartak rail gives a more solid scope mounting platform and the rifle shoots reasonably well. I was just using the little front handgrip/bipod combo thing as a rest and shooting at 100 yards:
There are 3 different scope adjustments on this target. I didn't have a marker with me or I would have written on the target.
What you are looking at is:
Top left:
3 shot group (adjust scope to right and down)
Middle of target, above the X ring. (8 ring), single shot (adjusted scope to hit a little lower)
Center of target. X, 9,8 horizontal string, 3 shot group. Left scope alone after that as I wanted it hitting center at 100
Ammo used is some Ukrainian stuff I bought from Canadammo.
I think this is about as good as it would get. Maybe I could use a better target with a more defined aiming point next time. Maybe I could use my proper bench rest tripod and rear bag. Maybe I could use some handloads. I've got dies but just don't see myself bothering, as I have no great desire to hunt with this rifle. Actually if I was to hunt with it I would put the stock magazine back on.
I'm sure the scope mount isn't perfectly solid, but it seems ok. I didn't do anything to the trigger. It is ok too. I think if a guy wanted to hunt with an SKS all he has to do is improve the sighting system with either a Wartak rail and scope on it, or a rear aperture sight. I think the sights are the key.
stevejones
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I recall an old proverb. "Beware the man with one gun". I just had to add my two bits lol. If its what you have and you practice with it enough to become proficient its going to work. Its not the ideal rifle but neither was the Lee Enfield i started with when I was 15. I think if you put a good set of peep sights or some good basic optics it will be fine within the cartridges limitations. Use good quality ammo and that will make a huge difference. All the military ammo is just not under the quality control that hunting ammo is made. Practice lots and aim small.
Cheers. SJ
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Gatehouse I gotta tell ya, that SKS is about as tacticool as a guy can get ," full pimp" is right!!
That being said, it would kill a deer quite nicely by the look of the target - with someone else at the helm, you wouldn't catch me near it !
Cat
That being said, it would kill a deer quite nicely by the look of the target - with someone else at the helm, you wouldn't catch me near it !
Cat
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A 30/30 will, I don't see why that thing won't , you'd have to be quick however, as the bear would likely be rolling around on the ground laughing!
Cat
Gatehouse I gotta tell ya, that SKS is about as tacticool as a guy can get ," full pimp" is right!!
That being said, it would kill a deer quite nicely by the look of the target - with someone else at the helm, you wouldn't catch me near it !
Cat
I'm sure it will indeed kill a deer, but I won't be lugging it up the coastal mountains in pursuit of blacktails!!!
I will try shooting it at 300 when I get around to it, though.
I've tried different optics - scope , red dot ect , but the best thing that workrd for me was putting on a but pad that gave me a longer LOP
I havn't shot at 100yd or anthing like that but nailing pop can size targets at 50yd with iron sights is good enough for this fella
Something mentioned in a previous post , was to treat the 7.62X39 like a 30-30....I agree with that . without a doubt.
I havn't shot at 100yd or anthing like that but nailing pop can size targets at 50yd with iron sights is good enough for this fella
Something mentioned in a previous post , was to treat the 7.62X39 like a 30-30....I agree with that . without a doubt.
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Its like a 30.30 if you use 125gr bullets. Most people use 175gr bullets for 30.30, which makes a major difference in energy and the ability to drop and animal quickly. They are not the same when comparing 175 to 125 gr bullet.
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I've been called a lot of things, but I've NEVER been called THAT ugly!! LMAO!!Cat,I don't know if it is because your avatar is small and hard to see or my eyes are old but I swear youre a spitting image double of a middle aged Eddie Shack!!
About as close as I have ever come to hockey was watching my kid play- oh, and I once compared moustaches with with a hockey player of some note!
He was up here for a conference and the guys that brought him up asked if if I'd open up the trap houses so we could have a little shoot.
Any excuse for a free dinner!n Pretty fair shot with a shotgun as I recall, but the thing that I really remember is that his Stanley Cup ring that was sized for his ring finger was big enough to fit my thumb!
Now back to our regular programme!
Cat
hey, I like that!
the spank
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I've been called a lot of things, but I've NEVER been called THAT ugly!! LMAO!!
About as close as I have ever come to hockey was watching my kid play- oh, and I once compared moustaches with with a hockey player of some note!
He was up here for a conference and the guys that brought him up asked if if I'd open up the trap houses so we could have a little shoot.
Any excuse for a free dinner!n Pretty fair shot with a shotgun as I recall, but the thing that I really remember is that his Stanley Cup ring that was sized for his ring finger was big enough to fit my thumb!
Now back to our regular programme!
Cat
Thats a cool pic of you and Lanny! And yes let's get back to cutting up the SKS....
I'm suggesting that if you use factory hunting ammunition for each cartridge, and shoot the same animal in the same spot- you would be hard pressed to see a difference in the animals reaction.
