SKS in Archangel stock. Final thoughts and why not to buy it!

Gatehouse said:
I don't have a problem with the little hump. Popping out the trigger group takes about 2 seconds. Then you just lift the rest of the rifle out for cleaning. But to each their own.
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but then you have to get the whole rifle apart to reach the bolt, but it's up to you; i don't consider that as an ideal field strip
what archangel had to do, is to create a sliding piece for that upper hump, just like they did for the trigger area dummy... then that would be nice.

also they have to create a place for the bayonet, for people, who would like to keep it, a couple of front rail options would be nice (I am not a big fan of those though), then drop the price to 175-150Ca$ and then that would be an awesome competitor to tapco IMHO.

I clearly understand why people like archangel, I also liked it initially, I also clearly understand why people invest more than the price of the rifle into it... coz I do it too.. SKS-is definitely one of the best semi-auto platforms available here in Canada!!!
 
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I totally agree with you regarding a clip in AK hump, and I hope someone with influence is reading this thread.
Maybe we should all email them with a demand to incorporate it into their next production run.
Nothing is cast in stone in the commercial world. People waving wallets can make changes.
ATI, Tapco, Kicklite etc, are all floppity rickety platforms that only contribute to a 00 buckshot type grouping.
That's why my ONLY SKS that's NOT in a birch or laminate stock is snugly clipped into an Archangel Opfor stock.
It's not the lightest aftermarket stock, but with the bayonet removed, the center of gravity is back enough to make it a really enjoyable easy swinging offhand shooter.
Also, there's a hole guide inside the forestock that I drilled out and installed a sling lug that my Harris bipod attaches to for awesome downrange accurate firepower via my AR mag adapter and TS200 rear peep sight.
Yeah, I have no use for that purely cosmetic AK hump.
Picatinny rails? They're for CQB rigs and mall ninjas.
 
I don't have a problem with the little hump.
Popping out the trigger group takes about 2 seconds.
Then you just lift the rest of the rifle out for cleaning.
But to each their own.
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No kidding.
It's about as difficult as changing a light-bulb. But somehow people are unable to do it?

And why would anyone want to leave the stock on, while washing the barrel and action?
Seems outright foolish to me.
 
Sergei Simonov didn't design it this way, therefore it's bad.
Okay, maybe I kinda feel that way with my nice ones.
But when you go Bubba, at least go good Bubba.
It's not a Kriss Vector, Sub 2000, or an AR for crying out loud.
It's a fleepin SKS.
It's not a Dragunov or MacMillan, it's an SKS.
It's a 100 meter battle rifle.
Period.
As long as you keep it in context, it's truly satisfying and fun.
 
PECHENEG said:
but then you have to get the whole rifle apart to reach the bolt, but it's up to you; i don't consider that as an ideal field strip
what archangel had to do, is to create a sliding piece for that upper hump, just like they did for the trigger area dummy... then that would be nice.

also they have to create a place for the bayonet, for people, who would like to keep it, a couple of front rail options would be nice (I am not a big fan of those though), then drop the price to 175-150Ca$ and then that would be an awesome competitor to tapco IMHO.

I clearly understand why people like archangel, I also liked it initially, I also clearly understand why people invest more than the price of the rifle into it... coz I do it too.. SKS-is definitely one of the best semi-auto platforms available here in Canada!!!
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Do you really need to take the trigger mech out for a "Field Strip"

Your making problems that are not even there.
 
Dexter Morgan said:
No kidding.
It's about as difficult as changing a light-bulb. But somehow people are unable to do it?

And why would anyone want to leave the stock on, while washing the barrel and action?
Seems outright foolish to me.
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again, it is not about being able of doing something, it is about crazy/ stupid engineering and crisis of ideas.

the abbreviated field stripping and access to the bolt is always important in the real battle or when you have serious FTF/FTE, we are not talking about cleaning the rifle in your greenhouse

let me simplify it:
you may climb over the fence and for many people it will be totally fine, however, if there is a door, most people will use that instead, isn't it true?
 
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OkayShooter said:
Do you really need to take the trigger mech out for a "Field Strip"

Your making problems that are not even there.
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that's what I am trying to deliver-taking trigger group out to access the bolt is fundamentally wrong for a Russian battle rifle!!!
 
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Dexter Morgan said:
No kidding.
It's about as difficult as changing a light-bulb. But somehow people are unable to do it?

And why would anyone want to leave the stock on, while washing the barrel and action?
Seems outright foolish to me.
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Ok, maybe you lucked out and got a stock with loose tolerances, but the two I have worked on have been a real b*tch to remove and an epic c*nt to put back in (trigger group). Some friggin useless piece of Chinese plastic is binding in there preventing the whole thing to just snap back in place. You have to force it with all you can give it to make it "click" and the stars have to be aligned just right for that to even happen, after many, many attempts. This damn stock almost defies the laws of physics, lol.

2 newly bought Rusian SKS in great shape, 2 new Archangel stocks = same damn result. Total POS!


As for "washing" the barrel and action with the stock on, that's how the SKS was made. Soldiers in the field don't take the whole stock off every time they clean their SKS, FFS... are you even serious here?

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PECHENEG said:
that's what I am trying to deliver-taking trigger group out to access the bolt is fundamentally wrong for a Russian battle rifle!!!
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But do you really need to take the trigger group out on a field strip? You can take the trigger group out on a AR15 with a nail. Does that mean Im going to do that in the woods?

Simple, leave it stock like it suppose to and you don't create an issue.
 
OkayShooter said:
But do you really need to take the trigger group out on a field strip? You can take the trigger group out on a AR15 with a nail. Does that mean Im going to do that in the woods?

Simple, leave it stock like it suppose to and you don't create an issue.
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exactly, most of the time, the soldier doesn't need to take the trigger group out!
 
As for "washing" the barrel and action with the stock on, that's how the SKS was made. Soldiers in the field don't take the whole stock off every time they clean their SKS, FFS... are you even serious here?
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I'm not a soldier. I shoot for fun.

I wash corrosive salts off of my barrelled action in the laundry-tub, in the comfort of my own home.

I've never needed to take my rifle apart while laying down in a muddy trench, while enemy soldiers are trying to kill me.
 
Dexter Morgan said:
I'm not a soldier. I shoot for fun.

I wash corrosive salts off of my barrelled action in the laundry-tub, in the comfort of my own home.

I've never needed to take my rifle apart while laying down in a muddy trench, while enemy soldiers are trying to kill me.
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nice answer-no more questions. greenhouse shooting or anticipation of such conditions to be constant is definitely a choice
 
Okay, so you're practising to be a real soldier? I have no problem with that.

But if that's your mission; Then why would you be training with an SKS ?

Wouldn't a real soldier be issued something like an AR-15 or a Tavor?
 
Dexter Morgan said:
Okay, so you're practising to be a real soldier? I have no problem with that.

But if that's your mission; Then why would you be training with an SKS ?

Wouldn't a real soldier be issued something like an AR-15 or a Tavor?
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anyone who thinks about SHTF is practicing to be a survival soldier
 
PECHENEG said:
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anyhow, Archangel product for sks is crazy and expensive and needs improvements
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Yeah its getting a bit strident now. You made your points OP. Now your just arguing for arguments sake. No one disagrees that the AA isn't perfect. Time to move on perhaps?
 
VanIsleCam said:
Yeah its getting a bit strident now. You made your points OP. Now your just arguing for arguments sake. No one disagrees that the AA isn't perfect. Time to move on perhaps?
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Actually, the conversation is getting interesting, as an important point has been raised: should we allow accessory manufacturers to get away with making poorly thought-out designs that interfere with the firearm's primary design features, simply because "we aren't soldiers in the field and will be cleaning our guns in a laundry tub" (or whatever).

I say no. Where and how I will choose (or be forced) to clean my rifle should not be determined by Archangel, only by Simonov (original designer of firearm). When I buy an accessory for $150, I expect it not to interfere with the firearm's positive design functions (quick and easy tool-less takedown of parts, easy reassembly, etc). If the accessory does interfere and will change how the firearm functions or how much effort is required to service it in the field, I want to be informed beforehand as it may seriously influence my decision of buying said accessory in the first place. The buyers of those two Archangel stocks I've installed had no clue of how crappy the design was until they had them installed. First question they both asked: "Uhh... how do I remove the receiver cover now?"

Anything else than total disclosure is lying to the customer and in fraud territory. We have laws about displaying detailed product info/specs and warnings for pretty much everything else... why not firearm accessories?
 
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If u don't like it, then don't buy it. Watch and read reviews about a product before u buy, everybody including Justin Trudeau knows the Archangel stock forces u to remove the stock in order to pull out the dust cover.

The Soviets made the SKS the way it is for a reason. 1950s combact effectiveness. If u want modern combact effectiveness go buy an AR.
 
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