So, is the RFB all that we thought it'd be?

Love my RFB! Ive owned CZs and m14, ARs, etc. and my RFB is my favorite gun! Hits the 300 yard gong everytime without issue. Way more accurate than an m14.

All of you out there hating on RFBs, well you guys are just jealous you dont have one. If you owned one you would understand.
 
AK said:
As expected the RFBers come out brandishing pitchforks in their defense. I suppose if I sank three grand into a piston driven gun that can only shoot as accurately as a $400 Norinco M-14 (better comparison?) I'd be defensive too.
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Why do so many people insist that you must always get the best possible value. Some people work at Wal-Mart, some people work on Wal Street; each has their own market. The RFB may seem expensive, but there are plenty of rifles just as expensive as or more expensive than the RFB. Expensive as it may seem to the Wal-Mart guy, it is still the absolute cheapest bullpup rifle I am aware of.

The RFB is not a precision rifle. If you buy it for accuracy you will be dissapointed; if you buy it because it is a compact semi auto .308 with modern design (forward ejecting, ambidextrous, etc.) you will be happy.

Lets be objective here - the RFB does not cost $3000, and the going rate for a Norinco M14 is $500 not $400. If I was less concerned with accuracy it would have been my favorite rifle, but because I wanted something more accurate I was unhappy and sold it. So not everyone is defending the RFB. For me it is neither awsome nor stupid - it is just another option, and I am glad to have options, especially bullpups!


Adamg_55 said:
Love my RFB! Ive owned CZs and m14, ARs, etc. and my RFB is my favorite gun! Hits the 300 yard gong everytime without issue. Way more accurate than an m14.

All of you out there hating on RFBs, well you guys are just jealous you dont have one. If you owned one you would understand.
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I had one, so I understand... but how big is that 300 yard gong? Unless it is less than 5 inches in diameter I think it is fair to say that accuracy is one of this rifles weak points.

I strongly dissagree with the statement that the RFB is more accurate than an M-14! I don't know of anyone else who shares that belief. By way of example my accurized M14 with factory barrel shoots 1 MOA all day (not just a single group I got once), my RFB never gave me a 1 MOA group even once. For reference I used the same scope and bipod for both rifles.

...Moral of the story: buy it if you want compact modern design, leave it if you want ultimate accuracy or value. If the Target versions are ever released I will revisit the RFB.
 
I too have an accurized m14. I don't notice an accuracy advantage between it or the RFB. They both hit what I shoot at, and I can't shoot 1moa even with a bolt gun.

The rfb wins hands down to carry in the bush. The m14 wins hands down for benching and mags. I don't hunt with a bench with me so the RFB gets the nod.
 
I've never understood why some guys crawl out of the woodwork comparing apples/oranges. I suredly couldn't hit the 200 yard gong with an MP7 and it costs $14k+. Do I come on here and belittle purchasers for buying one? No. I don't belittle guys for buying crazy expensive guns at all. I'd love to be able to afford $5000 firearms...alas, my job doesn't permit it. I think it's great that some people can purchase firearms that I can only dream about. Maybe one day I'll be able to also. I bought my RFB because I thought it was cool looking, non restricted bullpup. If I wanted something else I would have bought something else (yes, I have an SKS also). Haters need to focus their attention on the crappy legislation we have here in Canada...not on other firearm owners.
 
AK said:
As expected the RFBers come out brandishing pitchforks in their defense. I suppose if I sank three grand into a piston driven gun that can only shoot as accurately as a $400 Norinco M-14 (better comparison?) I'd be defensive too.

And I quite enjoy my SKS being an SKS, but nice try anyhow. My CZ on the other hand I pretend is an AK. :)
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The "RFBer" that had some fun at your expense has actually stated he likes the AR10 better. I happen to agree. I'm also a huge AR10 fan. That being said I happen to also like my RFB. I love my AR rifles as well, but still own a Tavor too. If you want accuracy the AR platform is next to impossible to beat. But there are more things than just bench accuracy. The bullpups have a lot of other things going for them.

Oh and my desktop computer is as fast as my notebook but costs a lot less. Guess which one I prefer lugging around or taking out of the house. Here's a tip, it's not the much heavier and bulkier desktop computer. The RFB is the same concept. Smaller, handier and more portable.

One other point. Most of us who own RFB rifles also own the rifles you've mentioned.
 
AK said:
As expected the RFBers come out brandishing pitchforks in their defense. I suppose if I sank three grand into a piston driven gun that can only shoot as accurately as a $400 Norinco M-14 (better comparison?) I'd be defensive too.
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Time for me to chime in again on this thread. I've had my RFB for some time now, and I'm looking forward to this years deer season to stretch it's legs (so to speak). With respect to AK's comparison of the RFB's accuracy to an SKS or Norinco M-14... Well respectfully, I have to say that my experience has been somewhat different - out of the box, none of my M-14's or SKS's were as accurate as my RFB (probably a trigger thing). I have not reloaded for this rifle yet (too many other things on the burner), but have found that Winchester 168grain SBST ammo will punch me a sub 1.5 inch group every time I throw 5 rounds at paper - which is more than good enough for what I intend on using this rifle for. Therefore to compare it based solely on price and perceived accuracy to much less expensive platforms doesn't thoroughly examine many of the other features of the RFB. When I was in High School, my friend Jose bought a brand new Lada... Compared to my new Trans Am (Knight Rider - Yeah!) it was significantly cheaper, and was able to do 100km on the highway... but there were alot of differences that went beyond those two parameters.

These are some of the factors I considered prior to purchasing the rifle;

Compact size, robust construction, completely ambidextrous, extensive use of synthetics, North American manufactured, barrel mounted optics rail, bullpup configuration, superior trigger, standard FAL mags, adjustable gas system, tool free maintenance and disassembly, heavy barrel profile, light weight (8 lbs), and great customer service.

If for the sake of argument, the accuracy of the M-14 and SKS is similar to the RFB, then every other element I compared the rifles to puts this little carbine ahead of it's competition. When we went boar hunting last year, we brought out a FN FS2000, Tavor, Storm, 870, and a Tapco'd SKS. No one argued or smack talked about value for the dollar or accuracy... We just had a great time in the outdoors enjoying our shooting sport. The OP asked owners of the RFB if it was all we thought it would be, and my answer is yes.
 
Fair enough fellas. Truth be told I wouldn't turn away an RFB if it were given to me, and those that enjoy them all the power to you.
 
fugawi said:
Epoxy7 are you planning to hunt deer with your RFB? Would love to hear how the RFB handles Canadian winters? Thanks.
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Still have to get my CORE to go hunting. Pretty much relegated to spotter/camp b1tch otherwise. It's on my list though of things I plan on doing. The RFB will be the first rifle I take with me.

Also Im no longer in the Peace Region so back to wet winters for me.

Someone put some peer pressure on biguglyman to buy one. He has real Northern winters and that's during the summer months!!
 
cyclone said:
Because of you :yingyang: , those deer are gonna start wearing camo !.....:p
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Rfb update

New Kanadian RFB'S -

Are now the official correct generation 2 ! :D

I saw one recently arrived - WITH the new gas adjuster, new added spring at the gas piston, but appears to be the old style bolt cover but with new improved weldements, that have the outward look of the failed replacement repair -

BUT look like they will do the job as they are LONGER with more surface area weld contact. Along with the added gas piston spring the load on the weldments will be lessened.

It does look like a permanent effective redesign of the original design flaw.:D

By the way - those who cant shoot 1 to 1 1/2 moa with an RFB off a bench need to learn how to extend rest axis points on such a short pistolrifle.
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This short axis also tends to force upwards at the crown and causes vertical stringing until the shooter conquers it or installs a brake.

I have NO trouble shooting 1 moa - With sorted PRIVI !
My old ORA mexican match 168 gr. shoots under 1 moa.

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chopper 1 said:
This short axis also tends to force upwards at the crown and causes vertical stringing until the shooter conquers it or installs a brake.

I have NO trouble shooting 1 moa - With sorted PRIVI !
My old ORA mexican match 168 gr. shoots under 1 moa.

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Interesting. I had some groups that were a dead vertical line of 1.5" to 2.0" long. I was using a bench bag but have a bipod mounted now, so that load might be worth trying again.
 
I went with the brake, but have noticed some stringing as well. I picked up a battlecomp babc, but need to find a local guy to thread my barrel.
 
chopper 1 said:
New Kanadian RFB'S -

Are now the official correct generation 2 ! :D

I saw one recently arrived - WITH the new gas adjuster, new added spring at the gas piston, but appears to be the old style bolt cover but with new improved weldements, that have the outward look of the failed replacement repair -

BUT look like they will do the job as they are LONGER with more surface area weld contact. Along with the added gas piston spring the load on the weldments will be lessened.
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Is there any way someone could possibly post pics of the old versus new parts? And where do I go to order my RFB? Is there only one distributor?

Thanks again to everyone who posted, I've learned so much about this awesome rifle!
 
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