so what with all the cheap ar15,s

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I'm not but it seems like the majority are and if you can't see that maybe you are part of the "problem"



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Are you saying there is nothing out there for the higher end shooters?
Or that the idea of the gun industry marketing and selling to the average joe is bad for business and shooting in general?

Well considering some of the criminal mentality I have seen at the range lately, I think you would be rethinking that position...
 
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Canuck98k you nailed it!
You gotta love it when someone posts as arrogantly as Leibermuster and subsequently reveals how basic grammar and spelling eludes them. I was beginning to think this thread had no value at all but it has provided some comic relief!
 
I am not cheap, I am poor. I don't have a $50,000 car, or a $400,000 house, but my ex-wife does!

I think a better question is why is an AR-15 that is $700.00 in the U.S., $1400.00 in Canada.I bought my first AR-15, an SP-1 in about 1981 or so when Prime Minister Joe Clark de-restricted them. I payed more for it then then I just did last year for a Norinco M4. The Norc is a fine gun for the price.
 
Why would range use only require a higher quality gun?

If you ask me the fact that most guys just punch holes in paper from the bench means quality isn't much of a factor.

Bingo!

I'll put more money into a gun and scope I know is getting banged around on the quad, or trekked through the bush, so I know when I need it it is gonna work.

That and when the confiscations come, I won't be handing over the nicest guns in my collection. :eek: LOL
 
Because not all of us can afford a 2500 dollar rifle. I'm a broke college kid, and I can't justify spending that kind of money when I know I can buy a 700 dollar norc, and it'll go bang when I pull the trigger.


But could you have afforded 1500 for the same thing?????

But that is fine regardless, if that is all you can afford then that is the best you can do, it's not like here in Canada we are 2nd world country, too many times I see people that can afford a proper AR just cheap out and then end up down the road regretting it.

You are not in that category..So you bought the best you can, or save up a little more and get a NEA?? Not sure if it was available at the time for you...
 
With all due respect sir: YOUR A F****** IGNORANT COC*S*****.

Please go back to what every rich neighbourhood your snobby ass came from. Enjoy your game of chess and your "High end " bottle of wine.

How the hell can you even consider saying half the s**t you have said on here ? Do you really think before you speak? Canada gun nutz is one big family in my opinion and your sir are the black sheep of it.

What people buy and what people want is their own choice and does not need to be picked apart by someone like you. You do not know what they are going through financially, maybe they have no financial issues and just dont want to spent 3grand and a hole puncher.

**************Any moderators on here should please delete this thread before people end up getting kicked off the site dealing with this guy.************

+1. Glad someone shares the same setiment. He's bringing the #### storm all on himself. He truly believes what he's saying, that's the sad part.

I never, for even once, wished there were fewer people enjoying the same types of firearms that I enjoy.

Buying expensive things can't buy you class. I guess Leibermuster and BBB are finding this out the hard way. BBB never came out and said what Leibermuster said but it's not hard to tell his attitude towards others is similar.
 
Who cares if someone buys a less expensive AR and decides to put a bunch of plastic crap on it? Lots of us have a lot of other important stuff to pay for and can only spend so much on guns.

If I can only spend $1000 on an AR and want something that's all mall ninja-ed to play with at the range I'd buy a nork.

When my funds allow I plan on buying a $1000 NEA. I guess that would be cheap by some standards but in the real world $1000 buys a crap load of food or clothes.

I like good things and I spend what I can afford. I would probably never be able to buy an AR at all if it wasn't for Nork's or the NEA.

I'd be interested in knowing what you drive, the kind of house you live in and how many kids you have to feed before you go relating money to IQ and IQ to morality as another poster said.
 
With all due respect sir: YOUR A F****** IGNORANT COC*S*****.

Please go back to what every rich neighbourhood your snobby ass came from. Enjoy your game of chess and your "High end " bottle of wine.

How the hell can you even consider saying half the s**t you have said on here ? Do you really think before you speak? Canada gun nutz is one big family in my opinion and your sir are the black sheep of it.

What people buy and what people want is their own choice and does not need to be picked apart by someone like you. You do not know what they are going through financially, maybe they have no financial issues and just dont want to spent 3grand and a hole puncher.

**************Any moderators on here should please delete this thread before people end up getting kicked off the site dealing with this guy.************

Quoted for truth!!! :rockOn:
 
Although i agree, there is one problem with the cheaper AR crowd or black rifle community attracting lower income people into the sport, and that is what kind of people are we bringing into the sport that could prove to be more of a liability to us. I have noticed sometimes the types or personality you don't want into the AR(pistol) or firearm world are immediately turned of by the price & time, this actually is a deterrent against the retard class of people.

Someone who is spending more money on certain types of AR or black-rifle is far less likely to commit a crime with them. Who would spend all that money and go on a rampage so to speak? When there is a shooting or someone does go nuts i prefer it to be a non-restricted cheap old school firearm then a tricked out AR. Obviously i don't want this to ever happen, but the Anti-gun wackos would have a field day with this.

wtf? seriously your are a complete f'in idiot to post something like that. pull your head out of your ass. i own three norincos. i am not rich. i get out to shoot very rarely. but i am sure as hell not retarded and im certainly not a criminal. i buy norincos so i can shoot something when i can. if i dont buy norincos i wouldnt be able to afford to shoot at all. sure i would love a colt or something compareable but its not in the cards. you know i got that whole pay off the morgate, 2 kids and two car payment thing going on. its nice to know that someone who bends over backwards to take care of his family and has very little time and even less money to invest into a hobbie is considered retarded and a criminal by some. seriously wtf?
 
With all due respect sir: YOUR A F****** IGNORANT COC*S*****.

Please go back to what every rich neighbourhood your snobby ass came from. Enjoy your game of chess and your "High end " bottle of wine.

How the hell can you even consider saying half the s**t you have said on here ? Do you really think before you speak? Canada gun nutz is one big family in my opinion and your sir are the black sheep of it.

What people buy and what people want is their own choice and does not need to be picked apart by someone like you. You do not know what they are going through financially, maybe they have no financial issues and just dont want to spent 3grand and a hole puncher.

**************Any moderators on here should please delete this thread before people end up getting kicked off the site dealing with this guy.************
Quoting this guy one more time - I share his sentiment, and no my feelings aren't hurt..
The two a$$holes in this thread can suck it :jerkit:
 
+1. Glad someone shares the same setiment. He's bringing the s**t storm all on himself. He truly believes what he's saying, that's the sad part.

Buying expensive things can't buy you class. I guess Leibermuster and BBB are finding this out the hard way. BBB never came out and said what Leibermuster said but it's not hard to tell his attitude towards others is similar.

I said no such thing im just asking why, trust me i undetstand the value of a dollar, ill bet you the price of a new LMT you have never seen the hard times i have.
I,m simply asking why people with money still buy crap?
Whats wrong with asking that??
Im not asking why people that are making min wage or have 4 kigs and make only $3ok a year but still want to shoot buy cheap crap.
 
10-15 cheap rifles?!?!?!? Some of us can only afford 1 or 2 "cheap" rifles, let alone double handfuls. We don't all have the same financial pot to pay for toys with, we make due with what we have.



I've never been more angry at a post on CGN.

FYI,I am a Professional Engineer and a partner in my firm. My spouse is a teacher. We are educated and we make more than an average income. Not rich but comfortable, more so than many and damned appreciative of the position we are in and the lifestyle we can afford.

I don't shoot gucci teir 1 firearms cause I have other more important things to spend my money on. Little piddly things like a mortgage, retirement savings, utilties, taxes, food, clothing, education savings etc. I can only direct so much of my after tax dollars to my shooting hobby because I have other priorities.

I shoot a Norc and a DPMS. Not top teir by any stretch. In fact by many accounts on-line both are crap. But they work and I can afford them. I am in the game because they are available to me. I have to shell out thousands to even start I have to say screw it cause I can deprive my family of those funds that are needed for other things.

Am I a liability to the shooting sports because I shoot crap name firearms? Am I the low income societal scum you are afraid of meeting on the range? Pull your head out of your orifice.

I shoot to compete and try damn hard at it. Where I shoot I can tell you that nobody is awarded points based on the name brand on the side of the receiver, scope, or parts. Nor is a shooters CV or bank balance consulted. All are made equal on the score sheet because how you and your kit performs is what counts......not how good you look doing it.

I'm really glad I don't shoot with a bunch of jerks with attitudes like yours. There are a lot of nice, high $$$ rigs at our matches......and those shooters are mature and smart enough not to be snobs about it. Their focus is on performance and enjoying the sport....not looking down on and ridiculing others based on what kit they shoot with.

Again another person off base...like the others that have insulted me thinking I'm referring to everyone that owns a DPMs or Norc as low life is not my point at all, but whatever..Being name brand means nothing it is the quality of the firearm that is what I'm getting at.

Since we are not talking about facts here and I only seem to be reading peoples feeling in there responses, i suggest some of you guys grow thicker skin and re-read my post to what I'm getting at.

Great Story:

Example I was at the range 1 month ago, who do I see a few guys I knew a decade back or so, never knew them personally, but I knew the crowd they were...

First thing they were doing was talking to everyone that owned whatever AR(specifically interested) brand or firearm on the range...They asked me a few questions, I answered them a little on difference between various AR's. At this point I didn't remember them(keep that in mind). One of the individuals asked me the differences between Ar's he was thinking of buying, which were Norcs,Bushmaster,LMT etc etc
After explaining a little he came to usual conclusion off... all just buy a Bushmaster it is the same as a Colt, typical misnomer that is out there, he went for the cheaper AR, his buddy insisted on getting Norcs. I finished my shooting with my AR(an upgraded Bushmaster)and proceeded to shooting my pistols as they were leaving I herd them talking about getting pistols and picking up Norc M4 because that is all they can afford or really because it was cheaper and easier. I can tell you right now those guys are involved in criminal activity. If you look in TO a lot of the gangs there are buying whatever is cheap and affordable or convenient, or whatever they can get their paws on(this comes from my cop buddies as well)

Guys all we are is one school shooting away that is so disastrous from the ban hammer coming down in my opinion, even the CPC might bend. I don't want to see that so some low end gang banger can afford a Black-rifle.

The advantage of the Norc is it gets AR's in more peoples hands but there is a dark side or a negative that I have seen lately that is coming out too.

I prefer the guy to use an SKS and not bring any negative attention to the black rifle crowd.........period.......I would prefer no shootings period as well.
 
Well leiberMuster just went full retard. I own a lot of expensive guns, and I could give a baker's #### what ARs other people use. If it brings them happiness, STFU & mind your own business.

Your posts in this thread honestly have to be the dumbest #### I've read in a long time, and like Canuck mentioned, you can't even distinguish between there and their. I guess people who buy a magpul PTS CTR are just way dumber and borderline criminal compared to someone who buys a magpul CTR.
 
I said no such thing im just asking why, trust me i undetstand the value of a dollar, ill bet you the price of a new LMT you have never seen the hard times i have.
I,m simply asking why people with money still buy crap?
Whats wrong with asking that??
Im not asking why people that are making min wage or have 4 kigs and make only $3ok a year but still want to shoot buy cheap crap.

I guess my response is not good enough d:h:
 
To the OP:

ARs could be getting cheaper because so many companies are currently making them. I don't remember much from high school but my understanding is that competition generally drives prices down. It is no longer the market where the only option is Colt, currently there is Colt, Stag, DPMS, Remington, Ruger, Spikes, Imperial Defense, Norinco, CORE, Bushmaster, Vulcan Arms, Armalite, Cadex, NEA, S&W and a pile of others. Demand for AR15-type rifles is also on the rise due it's popularity in films and video games The restricted aspect is less of an issue as well, due to many newer shooters not hunting and generally only shooting on a range (regardless of firearm type).

To Leibermuster:

It takes a lot of balls to flat out say that purchasing an inexpensive AR is indicative of low intelligence. It takes a lot more balls to state that these same persons are likely a blight on the shooting community and somehow more willing to use cheaper firearms in a spree killing. I don't think you have a lot of brains, but you certainly have balls (dicks usually do).

*there's probably spelling errors here, oh well
 
I finished my shooting with my AR(an upgraded Bushmaster)and proceeded to shooting my pistols as they were leaving I herd them talking about getting pistols and picking up Norc M4 because that is all they can afford or really because it was cheaper and easier. I can tell you right now those guys are involved in criminal activity. If you look in TO a lot of the gangs there are buying whatever is cheap and affordable or convenient, or whatever they can get their paws on(this comes from my cop buddies as well)

Let it be known that anyone who owns a Norinco is now a gang banger from Toronto. Oh hell i own a Dominion Arms Outlaw. So does that make a pedophile or just a serial rapist? Please enlighten me.......
 
Who cares if someone buys a less expensive AR and decides to put a bunch of plastic crap on it? Lots of us have a lot of other important stuff to pay for and can only spend so much on guns.

If I can only spend $1000 on an AR and want something that's all mall ninja-ed to play with at the range I'd buy a nork.

When my funds allow I plan on buying a $1000 NEA. I guess that would be cheap by some standards but in the real world $1000 buys a crap load of food or clothes.

I like good things and I spend what I can afford. I would probably never be able to buy an AR at all if it wasn't for Nork's or the NEA.

I'd be interested in knowing what you drive, the kind of house you live in and how many kids you have to feed before you go relating money to IQ and IQ to morality as another poster said.

So you are telling me putting Airsoft parts on a real AR-15 is fine with you??? or using fake Ronni kits for a real Glock is Okay????????

Buy whatever AR you want, but don't tell me it is "just as good your LMT" or "the same as"...or it's "good enough"...and then tell me you are going to run some advanced rifle courses on your out of spec Norc and think all will be fine and then through a temper tantrum when you have catastrophic failure on the range...
 
EVEryone is at different places in their life. THose 'criminals' you see at the range should be judged by their criminal actions(if any). Not by their Norcs and not by you.

I just bought an NEA 7.5 PDW. I can afford a Noveske Diplomat, but there are other reasons for wanting the NEA. PRice is not always everything, and just because I have money doesn't mean I don't fully appreciate where people who do not are coming from. I was there too at a different stage in my life. Not only that, but things can happen to knock anyone back to the bottom. ILLnesses, legal problems, divorce, etc. Enjoy life and judge less.

*typed on a phone, please ignore spelling and punctuation issues
 
Well it's like this, I shoot a Norinco AR so call me cheap. But if Gerry Miculek was sponsored by Norinco would it make the AR work any better or add more eye appeal at the range. I think not. It's a tool like any other. It gets the job done. Most of the shooters that I know don't even brag about the cost of there firearms. I'm not stupid I can tell the difference between a $700 AR and a $2500 one.
But putting the Canadian shooters down by the cost of there firearms is just being plain stupid. If mine blows up into 100 pieces tomorrow so what. I'll gladly pay another $700 for another one. Not like some person that would be crying that his high priced AR broke.
 
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