so what with all the cheap ar15,s

[Bolivar]

Although i agree, there is one problem with the cheaper AR crowd or black rifle community attracting lower income people into the sport, and that is what kind of people are we bringing into the sport that could prove to be more of a liability to us. I have noticed sometimes the types or personality you don't want into the AR(pistol) or firearm world are immediately turned of by the price & time, this actually is a deterrent against the retard class of people.

Someone who is spending more money on certain types of AR or black-rifle is far less likely to commit a crime with them. Who would spend all that money and go on a rampage so to speak? When there is a shooting or someone does go nuts i prefer it to be a non-restricted cheap old school firearm then a tricked out AR. Obviously i don't want this to ever happen, but the Anti-gun wackos would have a field day with this.

You know what, give it a few years and you will see where I'm coming from...

You guys just want to make this a rich vs poor crap...have fun but it ain't...

If you are in the crowd that thinks your Norc will run as good and as safe as a properly to spec AR you are kidding your self.

You bought 3 AR's right, well you could have bought 1 quality AR right of the bat, or that may have been someone else...but my point still stands...

I have no problem with bringing more people into the Black-rifle community Rich & poor and I have, can you say the same = I doubt it..

Most people that are buying there Norc buy it out of ignorance and end up spending more, my point is if you want to use it like a "Super ninja" on a tac course and run a lot of ammo or use it for real world application, then get a proper AR. I don't like being heckled by the NORC crowd on the range all the time telling me there NORC is just as good because CGN told them it is, so my post are doing the would be reader a favor. If you plan on putting upwards of 5000rds + a year through your AR a year like me or many other shooters, you might want to think different.The NORC is god crap has to go, it's misleading, and it does seem to come from this crowd.

If that is all you can afford..well good for you...enjoy the NORC its fine for a little range time but it is not a serious AR.

Man, you are contradicting yourself in your rants.

First you say that people who can only afford a Norc are a liability to our sport. You are making this a rich vs poor argument. And worse you imply that a person who spends a high dollar in a firearm must be mentally balanced. The obvious inference is that those who can't/don't are in fact likely to be criminals. Nice.

Then you say you are a savior to our sport because you have introduced lots of folks to it, rich and poor. So are you saying you have introduced the sport to people who you think are a liability to it?

ARs for real world applications? Please explain. Are you some type of delta/ranger/operator/mercenary that goes to your local civilian gun store to buy a rifle for your next black op?

I bought my Norc because I could afford it and I wanted to try the black rifle game. Turns out I really like it. I bought another one a couple of months later for a completely different purpose, a 24 inch bull barreled rifle vs the 14.5 inch Norc. Not meant for the same types of shooting games at all. Now the 24 has been turned in to a 20 inch Hbar as my interests in the sport have changed and evolved. So now I have two "budget" ARs for different shooting sports. I am happy with that choice. I suppose I could have dug deeper in my pockets and saved more to buy a 16 inch Stag or LMT to use in both games but I would have missed out on most of my shooting season last year. My choice worked for me.

No, I don't run 5 K rounds a year through my rifles, all of them combined. Probably half that if things go well for me in a year. That is all the time and money I have to spend on memberships, match fees and ammo/ components. Gets back to that priority thing I talked about in my first post.

So Norc owners are heckling you because you payed more for your AR then they did? I've never heard of that myself but it could happen I guess. This type of attitude us just as bad as the elitist crap you are spouting. I personally will never tell somebody that they spent too much or should not buy a higher $$$ AR if they can afford it. All I really care about with the next guy down the line is 1) are they safe? 2) are they an a$$hole?

If somebody asks if Norcs are good value, I will simply say that mine works for me so far. Of course with all things related to my hobby, I reserve the right to change my mind later. I may sell my Norc someday and buy a different AR. I don't know. But for now my #### has not fallen off because of what I shoot. And I have never lost a point because of a failure caused by the stock parts and components of my Norc.

Nobody says that the Norc is god - spelling counts. Try proof reading. It does wonders.

 

[blaxsun]

interesting fact is a norc ar won a couple cqb matches last year i went too. also the pretty big dollar rigs where having issues and holding us up on the firing line. kinda frustrating.
just saying...

...and an HK416 killed Osama Bin Laden. Maybe it has more to do with the tool in the hands of the operator than anything else. Just saying...

 

[ghostntheshell]

Champaign tastes with beer budgets. People no longer care for quality product, as long a it looks the part and it's flashy people are happy paying good money for sub-par goods. Not just ars, it's in all aspects off life, knock off purses, clothing, cars that look expensive and are poorly made. It's about image these days

Disagree.

I want a functioning platform with good accuracy at the most affordable price. I would suggest that buying any platform based on the companys name would be what you are suggesting. Buying a chinese, or cheaper platform that runs well, is simply a matter of being frugal or budget conscious for the buyers needs.

In a nutshell, I don't think people buy a norc to be seen with an AR, I think they buy it because it's affordable and sends lead downrange in an afforable package. If anything they don't care if it's not as "finished" looking, as long as it goes "bang" when you pull the trigger.

My humble opinion.

 

[TinkerBell]

frankly for the average canadian, the purchase of a low price ar15 is to secure thier spot on the restricted list "IF" the ar15 goes prohibited for some reason...

for the users of the guns like 3 gun competitors, course participants or other high round count people I believe they appreciate a higher quality gun.... although there are a lot of norincos out there with high round counts.

Myself I have a ATR Lower with gisselle trigger and a factory colt 6920 upper.

 

[Bolivar]

And how many thousands of dollars were spent to upgrade that Norc again before it was used in said CQB matches? were the guts all replaced in that NORC.

Also perhaps that might have to do with the 5/10rd mag capacity, I would love to see how so many of these Norcs would hold up with 20rd or god for bid 30rd mags. They won't last....I rest my case...

What I have put in my posts are not elitist statements, but the maturity the Norc crowd seems to be bringing here just shows it...Enjoy putting plastic Airsoft parts on the Norinco's and stay 20 feet away from me on the range with your time bomb that is ready to blow.

I'm done with the NORC-Nazis and this thread.

Ummmm, lets see. I added a grip and a scope as necessary upgrades. I also added a CTR stock because I wanted too. I replaced the trigger with a failed unit a bought off EE and that caused problems. Went back to the stock trigger and the problems were gone. I put on a B.A.L. lever and that cause problems so it was removed. No loss.

I also replaced the charging handle recently (had a credit to spend at Questar) and added a FF quad rail and AFG. From the quadrail addons the NEA would have made sense of as purchase but they came out a year after I started into the game. I'm not really further behind cash wise and I got to shoot my AR all last season. I'm ahead IMO.

You rest your case? You speculate without basis in fact that shooting a full cap mag will cause a rifle to fail and you rest your case? What kind of weird ass "I don't have a real argument so I am going to make wild ass claims" statement is that?

What the f*ck does the addition of Airsoft parts have to do with the quality of a rifle or the person that buys it in stock form?

Oh, and I am not a NORC-Nazi. My works for me. Others mileage may vary. I have not seen a lot of posts were folks area saying the don't work, or they failed or they hate them. It's the anti-Norc Nazis like you that seem to spout all the time about how much they hate them and would never own one.

Fine, do what you want. It's your hobby. I don't really care. But don't s**t on me cause you don't like the brand name on my rifle. I am shooting it and having fun, that is my point and purpose. I am achieving those things so I WIN!

Now, how about you come out and shoot CQB too and have some fun (I am assuming you are from Ontario and a reasonable distance to Borden). You can shoot the s**t with the other shooters, compare notes about rifles, courses, CGN, politics, the Leafs whatever. Put some rounds down range and get the smell of burn powder in your nose. What is not to like about that?

 

[mlehtovaara]

And how many thousands of dollars were spent to upgrade that Norc again before it was used in said CQB matches? were the guts all replaced in that NORC.

Also perhaps that might have to do with the 5/10rd mag capacity, I would love to see how so many of these Norcs would hold up with 20rd or god for bid 30rd mags. They won't last....I rest my case...

What I have put in my posts are not elitist statements, but the maturity the Norc crowd seems to be bringing here just shows it...Enjoy putting plastic Airsoft parts on the Norinco's and stay 20 feet away from me on the range with your time bomb that is ready to blow.

I'm done with the NORC-Nazis and this thread.

And now we are the Nazi's? WTF

Of all the ridiculous rants, and elitist, fudd, nazi posts I have seen on CGN in the last few years your posts take the cake by a huge margin!

I am in awe of you sir.

Good day.

 

[Bolivar]

...and an HK416 killed Osama Bin Laden. Maybe it has more to do with the tool in the hands of the operator than anything else. Just saying...

Hey, if I am going to be in an operation environment that is dirty, nasty and my life depends on it, then yes my Norc would not be my first choice.

However, I am just a civi puke who shoots on one way ranges trying to put holes in the middle of a paper target. I don't need to feel that I own a firearm that the best of the best would choose. I know my limitations (they are many )

And as for as the guys who got OBL, the weapon between their ears is for more important than the one in their hands IMO.

 

[Can-down]

Leibermeister probably wishes ammo cost more too.....

 

[mlehtovaara]

Oh, and just so we are clear, I could care less about bashing Norcs!

Lots of guys do it here everyday, and the results are nowhere near the outrage caused by you in this thread!

Your problems started when you suggested people who buy low budget guns are bad for our sport or are somehow criminals who give a bad name to elitist gun owners in Canada!

Stop trying to back peddle and make it about the Norcs!

You sir are the worst kind of gun owner! You are bad for our sport!

 

[Viper26]

I expect that I'm like most people when I say that my shooting budget is "finite". Following the doctrine of “he who dies with the most toys wins”, when I find a good shooter for half the price, I’m all over it! I’m totally envious of the guys who can sink huge money into a really cool gun, but I’ll always take two-for-one

 

[Farmer Harv]

I'm done with ... this thread.

Thank you. And I truly mean that.

 

[Shooter1of38]

I have a norc, works great for the two times a month I get to the range to punch paper.

Having said that, it was that norc that has gotten me interested in AR's in general. If not for it I may never have developed such a liking for the platform.

I would never look down on someone for using a norc and I sure hope I wouldn't be looked down upon for using mine. (and some people consider me an Elitist!).

I think everyone is an Elitist in one aspect or another (or on multiple fronts). I don't believe that it is a bad thing......unless they come down on others for not seeing things their way.

I admit it, I'm a vehicle, TV and a Watch snob. Many of my friends are not, that's okay, some of them are wine snobs (I drink whatever swill is on sale), but we all coexist. When they come to my house they get the luxury of drinking Moody Blue, when I go to their house I get to watch their sub par TV. Guess what, we don't complain to each other.

Buy what you can afford to spend outside your normal duties of mortgage payment, kids bills, taxes, etc, and then enjoy it and don't let someone make you feel bad about your purchase.

I imagine the guy who would look down his nose to me at the range while he uses a fully tricked out (insert high end AR name here), would think twice if he looked in my garage, gun room or closet......

I really enjoy my norc, if it ever breaks, hell, I'll buy another one!

People not seeing eye to eye? It's what makes this crazy world go around.....

 

[50calshooter]

However, I am just a civi puke who shoots on one way ranges trying to put holes in the middle of a paper target.

Haha this made me laugh, my nose burns of coffee now..

 

[North Eastern Arms]

Last year I was on a course.. ####ty weather, rain, dirt, etc...

on that course was a guy on the left of the line with a Norc, on the right, a guy with a SR-15. In between was every AR on the market. All went down but one at some point, all but one. Guess which?

Made me wonder who really got their moneys worth that day.


Every dog has its day. Theyre tools to do a job. They all do that job, all that matters is that youre happy with whay you have. Dollars doesnt define that outcome. Sometimes, lower price just means better value. Sometimes its a reflection of quality.


... Some here would say thay because of the price of our rifles its a sign of poor construction, those that have used them its a steal of a deal. We sold over 4000 rifles last week to a mix of clients that no one here would question as to their needs. Sometimes people see things for what they are and it just rocks the boat.

As for the cheap AR argument, I see the guys buying norcs as future customers, and so should the rest of the dealers. The fact that theyre even in te game is great to see in Canada. Get in the game crawling or running, as long as youre in the game.

 

[50calshooter]

I have a norc, works great for the two times a month I get to the range to punch paper.

Having said that, it was that norc that has gotten me interested in AR's in general. If not for it I may never have developed such a liking for the platform.

I would never look down on someone for using a norc and I sure hope I wouldn't be looked down upon for using mine. (and some people consider me an Elitist!).

I think everyone is an Elitist in one aspect or another (or on multiple fronts). I don't believe that it is a bad thing......unless they come down on others for not seeing things their way.

I admit it, I'm a vehicle, TV and a Watch snob. Many of my friends are not, that's okay, some of them are wine snobs (I drink whatever swill is on sale), but we all coexist. When they come to my house they get the luxury of drinking Moody Blue, when I go to their house I get to watch their sub par TV. Guess what, we don't complain to each other.

Buy what you can afford to spend outside your normal duties of mortgage payment, kids bills, taxes, etc, and then enjoy it and don't let someone make you feel bad about your purchase.

I imagine the guy who would look down his nose to me at the range while he uses a fully tricked out (insert high end AR name here), would think twice if he looked in my garage, gun room or closet......

I really enjoy my norc, if it ever breaks, hell, I'll buy another one!

People not seeing eye to eye? It's what makes this crazy world go around.....

Nice post, good perspective.

We sold over 4000 rifles last week to a mix of clients that no one here would question as to their needs.

That's just great! I hope the majority went to new AR15 owners, that's all I care about!

 

[canuck98k]

Who sounds more like a fascist/Nazi?

"Buy and enjoy whatever you want. Welcome aboard!"

OR

"Poor people are to be likely criminals or retarded. Low IQ people are irresposible and cause trouble. Those people will likely go on a killing spree. Their kind are not welcome. Only people with certain financial traits are allowed. Those people cause our problems. Stay away from me! I get to decide who is an acceptable member."

 

[mmcintyre1220]

Sorry that I have not donated money to this forum, any mods want to accept a $25 EMT ? I will sent it right away if you ban Leibermuster's IP address.

Oh and Leibermuster keep threatening other people and I ensure you that you will be blacklisted at most ranges in ontario also denied insurance through CSSA.

Have a great life and hopefully we never have to hear from someone like you again.

 

[cancer]

I think it's supply and demand. It would appear that AR15s are becoming more popular. This might have something to do with other rifles becoming harder to get (Canadian prohibitions and US export shenangans). More people buying means both the vendor and manufacturer can lower prices.

Who knows, maybe the more AR15s out there, the more pressure there will be on the government to de-restrict the AR15 too. Cheap AR15s could be one of the best things to happen to Canadian gun owners.

 

[chalkriver]

Sorry that I have not donated money to this forum, any mods want to accept a $25 EMT ? I will sent it right away if you ban Leibermuster's IP address.Oh and Leibermuster keep threatening other people and I ensure you that you will be blacklisted at most ranges in ontario also denied insurance through CSSA.

Have a great life and hopefully we never have to hear from someone like you again.

I think if we all used chipped in the mods might go for it....I will use some of my welfare cheque or my drug money to donate another $25 .....so its now up to $50 ...any other criminal low lifes with low IQ,s want to contribute ?

 

[blaxsun]

And as for as the guys who got OBL, the weapon between their ears is for more important than the one in their hands IMO.

Yes... that's what I was getting at.