That's exactly what North Sylva did to Wanstalls and Canada Ammo after they helped get the M+M M10x FRT. Then North Sylva jacked up the price $800. Remember that #### show? I hate monopolies and North Sylva's stranglehold on distribution allows them to charge high prices and fleece us. The more competition the better for consumers as it drives down prices. I'll buy a NR Bren 2 from Irunguns for a few hundred dollars less the first chance I get.
So whos buying a CZ Bren 2 MS ? Its non res !
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That's exactly what North Sylva did to Wanstalls and Canada Ammo after they helped get the M+M M10x FRT. Then North Sylva jacked up the price $800. Remember that #### show? I hate monopolies and North Sylva's stranglehold on distribution allows them to charge high prices and fleece us. The more competition the better for consumers as it drives down prices. I'll buy a NR Bren 2 from Irunguns for a few hundred dollars less the first chance I get.
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Hmmm - I am increasingly tempted to fly in the face of common sense and go the IRG route in order to get a correct military barrell length of 14". I am not terribly concerned about the ### knowing where to find my Restricted Bren 2 if/when they decide to ban it. If the RCMP really want to track them down, then they will simply seize Canadian dealer sales records. Sold is to somebody else? Nice try, they wil sweat you if you can't/won't provide suitable details for the new owner. Maybe you won't fold under pressure, maybe you will. That's not for me to say.
Anyhow, I'd much rather own a correct barrel length than a "Pinnochio" rifle. But that's just me - the internal debate is ongoing....
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Anyhow, I'd much rather own a correct barrel length than a "Pinnochio" rifle. But that's just me - the internal debate is ongoing....
14" Bren 2 MS:
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I used to think the same way, before the government banned my CZ Scorpion which is restricted. At least if it was NR it could sit around and wait for an opposition party to kill the ban. And if it never gets reversed, my grandchildren would inherit a hard to find piece... like my grandfather's full auto WW2 bring-backs.
The government/cops dont even have the resources to come get all the restricted rifles that have been banned, and somehow you think they have the manpower to go through old sales records and find the ones that they aren't 100% sure where they are. Everyone will have their own preference, but I'm opting for guns that fly under the radar and can be shot in the bush.
To each his own. I currently have 18 formerly restricted firearms under "house arrest" due to the 2020 OIC, so what's one more? I don't want an illegal prohib firearm hiding under the bed or buried in the garden, as getting caught with that would cost me any and all firearms that I have along with a lifetime ban. No thanks. My disability precludes me from shooting in the bush for mobility reasons, so NR firearms actually hold little "special" attraction for me. If the choice is to have a restricted military-style rifle in the correct configuration or a non-restricted with a "Pinnochio" Barrel, I will take the Restricted version every single time. The possibility (or even the likelihood) that the Bren 2 MS will be banned does not overly concern me. I will deal with that occurrence if and when the time comes. Until then, I will enjoy the hell out it, configured the way that I like. YMMV, and that's okay...
Or you can just go my route. Which is buy both versions.
Get the restricted one now through IRG. Then a non-rezzy through NS.
You can always barrel swap the other to make both non-res if you feel like it.
I'm tempted to do the same thing...
rommelrommel
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Theoretically this is true, but they pretty much don't exist.
Or you can just go my route. Which is buy both versions.
Get the restricted one now through IRG. Then a non-rezzy through NS.
You can always barrel swap the other to make both non-res if you feel like it.
I'm still a but skidish of this route with IRG. I got burned with the skorpion the same way and when I tried to have it converted to NR I was told it's a pistol
Even tho it was imported as a restricted rifle
I can totally understand your hesitation and that’s what’s keeping me from making the purchase - will definitely buy from North Sylva the non-restricted Czech version, also spoke to a friend who teaches the armorers courses in the US for CZ who verified the parts list doesn’t contain a barrel length that would meet our non-restricted requirement
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I agree with Bartok. I constantly hear people only wanting NR, claiming that no one knows they would have the NR, even if the government bans it in the future they will still have it. Let's have a bit of reality check here.
Some of these ideas may make sense to people who live outside of major cities, where enforcement and the cultures are different. I constantly hear people outside the major urban areas still take their OIC guns to local gun ranges and crownland, although I have never ever actually witnessed it myself. But I do not question the truth of some of these here-says at all.
But for folks who live in Toronto and Vancouver, and the suburbs ( who bought a lot of guns),things are different. I constantly hear guys who live in Toronto talking about keeping their NR if these are NR are to be banned in the future. OK, not sure you really want to do that in your parents' house and understand what it means keeping a banned gun in Toronto, plus are you going to drive 3 hours with a banned gun in your car to shoot on crownland or a club way outside of Toronto? I think it deserves some honest risk assessment here.
But if you are already living in a town 500km away from Toronto and another 100Km away from the closest mid sized city, the local OPP detachment guys would probably join you after the shift - they probably are the same guys the run the local clubs.
I think people are a little bit carried away by the allure of NR. There is a risk associated with keeping a NR when there is no anmesty - but that risks vary widely based on where you are located and your area of operation. The problem is that some younger guys who live in Toronto are listening to guys who live outside of Toronto, and do not realize the risks are drastically different.
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Really? Has anyone been convicted of possessing a prohibited firearm out of the current OIC list?
Whether you intend to keep shooting your previously-NR banned rifle in the bush or not, being NR gives you the freedom to decide hold onto it beyond any ban deadline and wait for a change of government. Being R you do not have that added luxury. If the OIC was not extended, those of us with R rifles could potentially be facing a really tough situation. The less the government knows about me and my property, the better.
I am not talking about the current banned NR while the amnesty is still in place.
I am referring to the fact that people are buying current NR, and thinking that if these NR are to be banned in the future by the government, they can 100% assume that the government will not know they have these banned guns and have the freedom to hold on to it with zero risk. In rural area, one can almost assume no risk, but the people living in major city centers like Toronto probably should not assume zero risk.
If you live in the city, you are taking a much higher risk than you are living in the rural area. If one day there is another ban and there is no amnesty, the risk that you could be caught with a banned gun in your possession is much higher in the major cities than in rural areas, simply because more people who do not like guns are watching out for guns.
If you are live in the city and follow the behaviour of people living in the rural area, you could be facing more risk than you assume.
This is not a political point, this is just a simple risk assessment point. People should make up their own minds what they want to do, but I think it is a bit of a disservice to everyone of not distinguishing the difference between "there is zero chance of repercussion" vs " the chance of repercussion ranges from 1% to 20% depending on where you are".
A guy who lives in rural alberta may have a chance of 0.00001% of problems, but a guy who lives in a condo in downtown Toronto taking his stuff up and down an elevator may have a 10% chance. The concerning matter is that the guy in Toronto think his risk is 0.000001% because this is whatever everyone said. Not knowing his risk profile he follows the behaviour pattern of the person in rural alberta, by doing so he exponentially elevated his already high risk.
I just think we all should be a bit more honest to ourselves and to others. I will not tell new guys to buy NR because "the government won't know you have the gun" ( this is what other gun owners told me) . I will say that "the government may not be able to quickly find out you have the gun and the chance is that they probably could not do so within putting in a lot of effort that they may not be able to summon".
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