Ardent
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Don’t watch tv, and I don’t read infowars or other garbage either.
So why are none of us Hunters talking about the 30 x 30 Intiative?
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Don’t watch tv, and I don’t read infowars or other garbage either.
Ardent
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Unfortunately I worked on the Lytton fire, the origin was nothing so movie plot worthy, it was a train sparking in extreme temps. It was half a degree shy of +50 (121F) the peak day and that was everywhere including what the helicopters indicated on the move. That’s also the temp limit for operation of most helicopters used to fight fire. The fire wasn’t lit to burn down a Dr’s office or anything worthy of a Steven Seagal flick, it was started by a train. Not an uncommon occurrence in hot weather, I just fought a string of rail line fires started in Alberta the same way and am likely headed back.
Last year in Boston Bar fighting fire, again very high temps, very long, and much later than usual. My seasons on fires used to reliably be the middle of July to the first week of September, with many years ‘off’ in between. Now this year it starts late April, and went til Nov last in the fall. Resources are stretched, old growth that’s survived hundreds of years of fires is burning completely, and there aren’t enough crews. It’s unfortunately, not at all propaganda, if anything the state of it is underreported.
And 100ft in elevation makes a noteworthy difference in temp? lmfao
The dry adiabatic lapse rate is 5.4f/1000ft, 100ft would only be a difference of half a degree F. But that alone is enough to claim global warming is a hoax... of course now that I've shown how silly that claim is he'll probably claim 100ft was a typo or something...
Ardent
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Says a lot we have to go back to the civil war, and WWI to show it’s a regular occurrence. I recall two significant May fire seasons, this being the worst with extended stretches of heat and very low precipitation. I recall one that stretched into November. Worth having a look at area burned annually, and where that trend is going; it’s not getting better and they don’t employ us for fun.
And how much was burned in 1950? I can't find data from before 1980.
Ardent
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All dates since industrialization. 
Here in BC and the west, fire severity and season duration has been increasing consistently, even notably in the last 20 years. I flew in the 1950 burn area on other fires, the Chinchaga fire would have been a big one. I don’t think many here in the west and BC would tell you the fire situation is getting better or the weather trending cooler.
We can google for one off years in BC with big burns. Or, note we’re starting to stack big years one after another instead of a decade or decades apart.
Here in BC and the west, fire severity and season duration has been increasing consistently, even notably in the last 20 years. I flew in the 1950 burn area on other fires, the Chinchaga fire would have been a big one. I don’t think many here in the west and BC would tell you the fire situation is getting better or the weather trending cooler. We can google for one off years in BC with big burns. Or, note we’re starting to stack big years one after another instead of a decade or decades apart.
BC Forestry said:
Good debate discussion. From what im getting is preservation of pristine wilderness areas is important. And the global warming or climate change or whatever the term today is are 2 different things and neither can be done by taxing. And no sending money to some world fund. China and India and the rest of the big polluters won't give 2 craps. Our wilderness is important and should be maintained by us. Can't cost that much. Just denying permits where appropriate
Ardent
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Now show us the west, in particular BC, that’s where I work and the observations are coming from, on temps, and fires and what we’ve been talking about.
Much of Canada is swamp spruce that’s designed to burn, much of BC is doug fir, cedar, and alpine that isn’t.
Much of Canada is swamp spruce that’s designed to burn, much of BC is doug fir, cedar, and alpine that isn’t.
Our per capita emissions are way higher than China or India though. We need to clean up our own backyard before we have any right to be telling others what they need to do.
It also ignores the part where Western countries got wealthy during a time where environmental standards were non-existent. It is unreasonable for the West to tell developing nations they can't do the same #### we did to get wealthy unless we are going to subsidize them with the wealth we created by polluting the #### out of the planet.
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Ardent
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Agreed, protect habitat, ignore the conspiracies and on the subject of protecting habitat don’t worry about if any of us think it could benefit climate change long term. Protecting wilderness is a no brainer, the motivations can differ to different people, the end outcome is positive regardless the motivations.
It’s like African hunting viewed from a non-hunter’s perspective. Properly explained, they’ll typically agree with it, but they don’t like to see sausage made. I respect your view if you think climate change is a hoax, though I’ll debate it and don’t agree. I cannot respect the tinfoil hat bull#### and seeing the future by getting sucked into an algorithm being force fed your click triggers in a bubble. Which eerily appears to be where we’re headed.
Really our per person pollution is higher than China and India. Thats interesting. How do they figure that? Guess if we had more people the ratio would go down. How about polution per area
I'd remind everyone on all sides that arguing with a bad faith actor (or someone you believe is one) is futile.
This means it's better to just insult each other instead of cherry picking data and writing schizotypical screeds
Blakeyboy if you want to reply to me on this one write anything important in the first few paragraphs because I don't think I've ever made it past three
This means it's better to just insult each other instead of cherry picking data and writing schizotypical screeds
Blakeyboy if you want to reply to me on this one write anything important in the first few paragraphs because I don't think I've ever made it past three
Ardent
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No unfortunately, it all comes down to our way of living. We have four times as many vehicles as China does, per person. One in four Chinese has a car, and they’re typically much smaller options than Canadians like to drive, we also drive those four times as many vehicles per person more. Our homes are far, far larger and heated and cooled far more.
Most Canadians like to eat beef, and lots of meat in general. And we buy and consume far more products due to our individual purchasing power / wealth in the west. It all takes energy to produce, then ship those goods. We waste much more food, eat more per person, on and on. In the west we live a life of great excess without many of us even knowing it. As can be seen in this very thread by those bemoaning the never ending nightmare of living in one of the best places in the world privilege wise.
Very few countries consume, and waste as much per person as we do and think nothing of it. Unless we learn to do better, we can’t hold it against the up and comers for wanting to do the same even though there aren’t enough resources on this planet to support it.
Now bring on the he loves China bull####, I need a laugh after this.
