Soo my Type 97 just blew up on me

Goes to show how well built the T97 actually is. You aren't lucky the side of your face wasn't blown off. It didn't happen by design.
 
sure glad your ok, The noc appears to quite tough. I always wonder about my hand loads, something in the back of your mind says "did I do that???" I shoot left now and that's a prime example why I won't use a right gun. I've seen videos of people using tavor the wrong hand and they get odd pc of brass in the lip, but what if it did this.
 
icelink said:
A friend a few years back got a little heavy on a charge in his SW 629 44 Mag, he blew out the cylinder wall and bent the frame. He was very lucky...If you admit to shooting reloads. Its void. He sent the gun to a SW warranty center saying it was factory Ammo. They fixed the gun and returned it with a two page letter on the evils of shooting reloads. Do you want a new gun or don't you?
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Your lack of integrity is sickening. You are on my ignore list too.
 
OP> Glad you found the problem and hopefully learned a good lesson. Good that you took responsibility for the mistake and prove that the T97 (ie China Junk) is one tough little act.

24grs of Titegroup is a lot. Max I've done is 18.5grs TG in a 500&W driving a 350gr bullet. Massive recoil (kicks harder than 43grs H110) with Hugh fireball. Thank goodness that ChiCom metal is tough for you to walk away with barely a scratch.

Notice all the naysayers, ones that happily burn any China product given the chance, have STFU and crawl back into their hole in silence (They won't be brave and admit their fault like the OP did). You know who you are, next time hopefully they will stay in their hole.
Dsiwy said:
Glad to hear you found what caused the over pressure and can put faith back into the T97. People are too quick to blame the gun when these things happen.
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Colin said:
I was lucky, I was undecided about shooting my DPMS or Type 97 first with the same ammo.
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Perhaps you WERE lucky then. Had you not decided on the T97 first, things may have gone much further south. Glad you're ok,
 
So correct me if im wrong but all of these detonations and failures always seem to heppen with either remanufactured ammunition (wartak or WM) or hand reloads. My type 97 has thousands of rounds through it with no safety issues. That aside, glad your Ok OP, any gun that has a catastrophic failure is terrifying
 
So, what have we learned here.

-Keeping different powder kegs on the bench is a bad idea.
-charging a rifle case with pistol powder is really bad idea.
-Anytime a Norinco has an incident, opinions will follow
-This Norinco held together very well considering the charge
-Firing Right hand ejection bullpups from the left shoulder may not be a good idea
-Deal with Icelink at your own risk
 
Colin said:
I rather not find out anytime soon...... :)
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Indeed, once is sometimes way more than enough. Glad you're OK (more or less) and no doubt you've saved some others from a similar or worse fate.
Might be time for a "dad is busy, do not bother him or risk getting sold to the circus" sign? :cheers:
 
Colin said:
So just found the problem, pulled a bullet and found a mix of 4320 and what is likely Titegroup. It seems I must have put some titegroup into the wrong hopper. I have several presses and pro 1000 and loadmaster side by side, I must have become distracted and put it into the wrong hopper. I think I will have to change the hopper colour so i can't do this again, a very expensive mistake, but still I have only a bruised face, ego and wallet to show for it. Actually if it managed to stay together mostly for somewhere up to 24 grs of Titegroup I am impressed and will buy another one.
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OP> Glad you found the problem and hopefully learned a good lesson. Good that you took responsibility for the mistake and prove that the T97 (ie China Junk) is one tough little act.

24grs of Titegroup is a lot. Max I've done is 18.5grs TG in a 500&W driving a 350gr bullet. Massive recoil (kicks harder than 43grs H110) with Hugh fireball. Thank goodness that ChiCom metal is tough for you to walk away with barely a scratch.

Notice all the naysayers, ones that happily burn any China product given the chance, have STFU and crawl back into their hole in silence (They won't be brave and admit their fault like the OP did). You know who you are, next time hopefully they will stay in their hole.
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As the bold type indicates it was a mixture of 4320 and Titegroup.
There is no way to prove how much was Titegroup and how much was 4320 so don't make this out to be proof that the T97 was designed to handle a massive overpressure.
The next person who may end up with a full 24gr of Titegroup may potentially be removing parts of a bolt from their skull.
 
It is proof the T97 did handle a massive overpressure enough to blow the receiver apart with minimal damage to the shooter.
The next person to use 24gr of TG on any 223 is playing Russian roulette, anything well over design spec is dumb and a using 24gr of TG should expect to be injured.

Yes we know you are one of those that bash Norinco and didn't like being called out. Even a child knows comparing quality something 4x the price is silly. (ie M305 vs. a Springfield Armory M1A )
"I can personally tell you that Norinco quality isn't even close to that of their american counterparts."
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As the bold type indicates it was a mixture of 4320 and Titegroup.
There is no way to prove how much was Titegroup and how much was 4320 so don't make this out to be proof that the T97 was designed to handle a massive overpressure.
The next person who may end up with a full 24gr of Titegroup may potentially be removing parts of a bolt from their skull.
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fenceline said:
With some of these guns having feed issues, pushing the bullet further into the case and jamming, I wonder if it is possible that a bullet would begin to compress into the case then skip up and feed into the breach. That could account for the increased pressure and detonation.

Just a theory.

Edit: like canada tail's post that I now see got posted after I started reading....
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preparedgunowners.com/2015/09/17/why-you-should-never-rechamber-the-same-ar-15-round-twice/

My thoughts were similar.

EDIT* Posted before reading the whole thread. Thanks for posting you findings rather then just blaming the gun.
 
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shredder said:
This is why one should never, NEVER, have more than one powder on the bench at any one time!!!! :eek:

Glad to hear you suffered no permanent damage. A lesson learned no doubt.......
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Gets difficult when you have five powder measures on your bench at once.... Actually six Damnit.

Key is to use masking tape on every measure and Mark what's in it. Double check the can before you top off and make sure it matches your measure. Twice. Then again.
 
burnaby said:
It is proof the T97 did handle a massive overpressure enough to blow the receiver apart with minimal damage to the shooter.
The next person to use 24gr of TG on any 223 is playing Russian roulette, anything well over design spec is dumb and a using 24gr of TG should expect to be injured.

Yes we know you are one of those that bash Norinco and didn't like being called out. Even a child knows comparing quality something 4x the price is silly. (ie M305 vs. a Springfield Armory M1A )
"I can personally tell you that Norinco quality isn't even close to that of their american counterparts."
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I don't think it was 24 grains of Titegroup. He said there was some in there. Who knows how much, I didn't see him weighing each, but honestly even a few grains of Titegroup in a load that was already up over 45,000 psi is going to add some decent pressure.
 
tootall said:
So, what have we learned here.

-Keeping different powder kegs on the bench is a bad idea.
-charging a rifle case with pistol powder is really bad idea.
-Anytime a Norinco has an incident, opinions will follow
-This Norinco held together very well considering the charge
-Firing Right hand ejection bullpups from the left shoulder may not be a good idea
-Deal with Icelink at your own risk
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What a way to sum up several pages in quick point form!
 
Good point. I'm impressed not because we know exactly how over charged the round was, who cares.
What we can deduce is that the round was obviously over SAAMI and even NATO spec, and it showed great integrity in both design and material quality preventing a potentially much worse outcome for the shooter.

burnaby said:
It is proof the T97 did handle a massive overpressure enough to blow the receiver apart with minimal damage to the shooter.
The next person to use 24gr of TG on any 223 is playing Russian roulette, anything well over design spec is dumb and a using 24gr of TG should expect to be injured.

Yes we know you are one of those that bash Norinco and didn't like being called out. Even a child knows comparing quality something 4x the price is silly. (ie M305 vs. a Springfield Armory M1A )
"I can personally tell you that Norinco quality isn't even close to that of their american counterparts."
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