Sporting clays, trap, skeet difficulty

harrygun said:
Hmm, how would you know how much lead you're putting on the clay if you can't see your bead/barrel? Most of the professional shooters I've watched on youtube still have their beads, digweeds got his high viz red on his perazzi. Even if you don't use the bead you're probably using the barrel to gauge lead. Mind you I'm talking about peripheral vision, not hard focusing on the bead and trying to line it up with the clay or you'd see two clays.
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By the time that you have shot 25 straight at skeet , or 80% or better at sporting clays, it will make a lot more sense to you. When you have shot 100 straight at skeet or 90% at sporting clays, then feel free to start telling most other people how they should be shooting.:)

Had an interesting experience shooting trap on Sunday. A very monochromatic day, grey sky, black trees and white snow. For some reason that I haven't quite figured out yet, the orange clays were almost impossible to see. Because you couldn't focus on them they looked tiny and moved at light speed. We switched to white ones and, oddly enough, they slowed right down and looked as big as dinner plates. All because you could focus on them clearly.
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That is exactly why I choose different lenses for my shooting glasses to match the lighting conditions.
 
stubblejumper said:
By the time that you have shot 25 straight at skeet , or 80% or better at sporting clays, it will make a lot more sense to you. When you have shot 100 straight at skeet or 90% at sporting clays, then feel free to start telling most other people how they should be shooting.:)
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+1 just because someone like digweed has a bead on doesnt mean he even sees it. I still have the Bead on my Krieghoff but i couldnt even tell you what color it is and i shot 1000 rounds this last weekend with it in phoenix.
 
ripitup911 said:
This is Completly Wrong. If the gun fits you you shouldnt even see your front bead. It should be out of focus and you should only be looking at the target. The point of good gun fit it is that the gun shoots where you look. If at any point your looking at where your bead is in relation to the target your doing it wrong. If you dont beleive me ask any good shotgun coach. .
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^Yes, this is what our instructor told me as well
 
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ripitup911 said:
Most shotgun coaches will remove the bead for new shooters so they dont get stuck looking at it.
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Can you name one that does that? I've taken instruction from Gil and Vicki Ash, had sessions at Churchill and H&H in the UK, am familiar with the instruction of Nora Ross and Chris Batha, have watched assorted shooting videos and worked with several Ontario-based instructors. No one has removed or recommended the removal of the bead for new shooters.
 
stubblejumper said:
By the time that you have shot 25 straight at skeet , or 80% or better at sporting clays, it will make a lot more sense to you. When you have shot 100 straight at skeet or 90% at sporting clays, then feel free to start telling most other people how they should be shooting.:)
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Not trying to teach people how to shoot, just discussing and learning the shotgun shooting sport. I'm thinking if you don't see your bead/barrel you can shoot the same with the shotgun at your hip(Or holding it any other way as long as you mount the gun the consistently) since you don't need to see the bead/barrel...
 
harrygun said:
Not trying to teach people how to shoot, just discussing and learning the shotgun shooting sport. I'm thinking if you don't see your bead/barrel you can shoot the same with the shotgun at your hip(Or holding it any other way as long as you mount the gun the consistently) since you don't need to see the bead/barrel...
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If you genuinely believe you can hit the same shooting from the hip as from the shoulder then it's a very good thing you are not trying to teach people how to shoot.
 
Claybuster said:
If you genuinely believe you can hit the same shooting from the hip as from the shoulder then it's a very good thing you are not trying to teach people how to shoot.
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Haha, I meant that is if you don't need to see your bead/barrel... I believe you do need to see it or you can't gauge the lead you're putting on the clay...
 
harrygun said:
Not trying to teach people how to shoot, just discussing and learning the shotgun shooting sport. I'm thinking if you don't see your bead/barrel you can shoot the same with the shotgun at your hip(Or holding it any other way as long as you mount the gun the consistently) since you don't need to see the bead/barrel...
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If your eyes were in your hips, that might work.
 
Claybuster said:
Can you name one that does that? I've taken instruction from Gil and Vicki Ash, had sessions at Churchill and H&H in the UK, am familiar with the instruction of Nora Ross and Chris Batha, have watched assorted shooting videos and worked with several Ontario-based instructors. No one has removed or recommended the removal of the bead for new shooters.
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Actually Gill and Vikki Ash were the ones that first recomended it to me when i first started shooting and a few others after. Once i had shot a bit it was fine though and no longer posed as a distraction. If it did not cause a issue for you that is most likely why they didnt recomend it. In relation i probably should not have said most. I should have said some or many that i have dealt with.
 
Maritime Storm said:
Gil is the first person to tell you "and don't you go lookin' at that bead now". Watch a couple of his videos, that exact phrase comes out of him in most of them.
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Sure. Any instructor will tell you that. But Ash is not "taking the beads off" shotguns nor does he recommend that in anything that I've seen, read or heard personally.

I've taken Ash's instruction. It was an enjoyable session.
 
I still look at my bead. I've had moderate success in doing so.

There is no one right way to do anything. Everybody is different. What works for you may not work for me.

Brad.
 
stubblejumper said:
Your eyes need to be moving with the gun, your hips may not move perfectly syncronized with your eyes.
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Here's a video that may better explain what I'm talking about. You've got hard focus on the clay and soft focus on the bead/barrel but you still need to have the bead/barrel in the sight picture or you won't know how much you're leading.

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<Edit> Embed doesn't work, here's the link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6pvPh-EFl0
 
Claybuster said:
Sure. Any instructor will tell you that. But Ash is not "taking the beads off" shotguns nor does he recommend that in anything that I've seen, read or heard personally.

I've taken Ash's instruction. It was an enjoyable session.
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He took it off my gun personally when i was in gp during his course. You are correct that it isnt in any of his videos. I was not the only student that got the bead removed. This was however a few years ago. Maybe he has changed his methods.
 
ripitup911 said:
He took it off my gun personally when i was in gp during his course. You are correct that it isnt in any of his videos. I was not the only student that got the bead removed. This was however a few years ago. Maybe he has changed his methods.
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Interesting. Was it a fluorescent/hi-viz siight? I could see an instructor removing one of those.
 
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