Storing Restricted at range

Beaman33 said:
So my spouse would prefer if I kept my guns at the range and I am cool with that. I contacted the CFO and got all the documents sorted. Does anyone find it weird that right now I store them at home and can take them to any approved range in the province without any STATT and once they are stored at my range I still have this option, even the ability to spend say the weekend in Edmonton with my rifle going to an approved range and storing wherever I am staying without permission. But I need to request a STATT to bring my guns home for cleaning. Seems really odd to me.
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It's odd Sir, but not as odd as your wife not wanting your guns in the house.
Try talking to her about that first I would say. What is the issue? Are they going to get out of the locker at night, load themselves and shoot someone?
Does she not trust you or does she not trust herself? Seems highly irrational.

I personally would not store my property anywhere but my house. Especially firearms. I like the responsibility on me, I know me and I trust me.
 
My wife grew up with a loaded gun in the house back in Indiana. It was for home defence and it gave her, her sister and her mom piece of mind when her dad was out of town and creepers/prowlers came around. She doesn't understand what good mine are stored unloaded and trigger locked inside a safe, lol! Good thing we live in a much better neighbourhood. 🙄 Point is, as far as my wife's concerned, we don't have guns in our house because she doesn't have access to them.
 
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It's a rare range that has storage facilities,especially for restricted.
I know my wife wouldnt demand I keep anything anywhere but at the house.
But she might be rare ... this week for our 20th anniversary I got this.
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Well, thank you for enlightening me. Perhaps I was wrong. But, it's a funny thing that a friend of mine, who had a portion of his collection stolen in a break in, was told by the judge at his trial (for unsafe storage because he didn't have trigger locks installed, even though his guns were in a locked gun room, in a locked house)that he was lucky that his guns were not used in any crimes because he would have been considered responsible under the law. Perhaps I have no clue. I'm just speaking from his experience. And thanks again for pointing out that I'm an idiot.
shawn said:
100% Pure BS

You might want to actually know what the law is before telling others what it is. Please dont post if you have no clue, all you're doing is adding confusion to the situation

Shawn
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BR427 said:
Well, thank you for enlightening me. Perhaps I was wrong. But, it's a funny thing that a friend of mine, who had a portion of his collection stolen in a break in, was told by the judge at his trial (for unsafe storage because he didn't have trigger locks installed, even though his guns were in a locked gun room, in a locked house)that he was lucky that his guns were not used in any crimes because he would have been considered responsible under the law. Perhaps I have no clue. I'm just speaking from his experience. And thanks again for pointing out that I'm an idiot.
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Sorry but it is still BS there is nothing in Canadian law that allows you to be charged with a crime for a crime someone else committed with something they stole from you.

Not to mention you are passing one second hand info as if it were fact. This stuff is confusing enough as it is with out people passing on stuff the "heard" as fact.

Shawn
 
As I said, you are probably better informed than I am, but do you have any case law to support your stance?
shawn said:
Sorry but it is still BS there is nothing in Canadian law that allows you to be charged with a crime for a crime someone else committed with something they stole from you.

Not to mention you are passing one second hand info as if it were fact. This stuff is confusing enough as it is with out people passing on stuff the "heard" as fact.

Shawn
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Storing everyones firearms at thier target range would'nt be a good thing. it would put a lot of responsibilty on the target ranges and it would increase the cost of insurance at the ranges that are storeing firearms. plus plus once criminals knew people stored thier firearms at ranges they would be breaking into the ranges.

sorry buddy but grow a set of testicles and tell your wife I payed for them and I want to keep them at home . do you buy your grocerys and store them at someone elses home so you won't eat everything at once?? not me.and if you don't want to keep your guns at home my advice is give up shooting . ENOUGH SAID.
 
skoal said:
Yup,I know it's just ball busting but this #### is getting out of hand lately. Seems like everytime someone asks a question these days he gets #### on,starting to see why so many long term members jumped ship.
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Sure. Post something so controversial and expect full support and cry like a baby when obvious majority of people on a pro gun site disagree with you. Seems almost trollish considering the timing to Bill S223 dont ya think!!!
 
rjf1963 said:
Sure. Post something so controversial and expect full support and cry like a baby when obvious majority of people on a pro gun site disagree with you. Seems almost trollish considering the timing to Bill S223 dont ya think!!!
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More like people with issues of reading comprehension

He never once said he thought it was good idea to store them there
He never once said you have to store them there
He never once said everyone should store them there
He never once said he supported making it mandatory

He said it was the solution he came up with for his specific situation and asked what the laws were regarding transport in his situation.

You and the other white knight hero "rights" activist then decided he was advocating making this mandatory and to crapped on him for his decision. Despite the fact that that was never his position.

Shawn
 
shawn said:
Sorry but it is still BS there is nothing in Canadian law that allows you to be charged with a crime for a crime someone else committed with something they stole from you.
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For firearms, if a minor gets ahold of a firearm that you own and does anything with it, you can be charged big time, in addition to the unsafe storage charge.

Look it up.
 
Ignoring the "why store at the range" question and all the politics...

What I'm wondering is why change the storage location from your house on the registration?

You have an ATT to transport the restricted to any range and back to your house.

It says you must take "the most direct route" or something equivalent to that in there but NOTHING about how long the firearm can stay there.

Think about it, it's the same ATT that allows you to take it to the gunsmith. You can leave it at the gunsmith as long as you want.

So, if the range agrees to store it there and has proper storage etc etc, you can store it there and still have the ability to transport it between your home and the range without a STATT which means you can also get it to a gunsmith or a different range without a STATT, you can bring it home to clean it then bring it back to the range, etc etc...

Of course the RCMP and the Lieberals would LOVE you to change the storage address to the range because then you need THEIR permission to bring YOUR firearm to YOUR home. But, is there any legal requirement to change it?
 
You seem somewhat adversarial on this topic. Perhaps I asked the question improperly. I was just trying to get a bit more information on how the law is applied in cases where firearms have been stolen and proven to have been used to commit offenses afterwards.
shawn said:
Case law that some one wasn't charged? How doe that work LOL

You dont need case law for something where no offense exists.

Shawn
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canmic said:
For firearms, if a minor gets ahold of a firearm that you own and does anything with it, you can be charged big time, in addition to the unsafe storage charge.

Look it up.
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I dont need to look it up it does not exist.

You being charged with unsafe storage is not the same as your guns being stolen, then used is a crime, and you being charged for said crime.

Shawn
 
BR427 said:
You seem somewhat adversarial on this topic. Perhaps I asked the question improperly. I was just trying to get a bit more information on how the law is applied in cases where firearms have been stolen and proven to have been used to commit offenses afterwards.
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I know of no case where anyone has been held liable for a crime someone else commits after stealing a firearm. Or a car or any other object for that matter.

promac said:
Remember Mike Hargreaves?

https://www.reddit.com/r/canadaguns...es_dropped_in_mike_hargreaves_unsafe_storage/
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And?

You guys use this case as the boogie man and bring it up every time anyone talks about unsafe storage. Sorry but a single case of idiots laying stupid charges does not make it the status quo in Canada for the last decade or more since it happened. The BS that you will be charged if your guns are stolen is 100% pure BS and has no basis in reality.

The only reason people believe it is they are too lazy to actual look it up and other people who are too lazy to look it up keep spewing all over CGN every time anyone mentions unsafe storage

Shawn
 
Thank you. As for unsafe storage, it is such a nebulous concept that no one in this country really understands it. It can be construed in so many ways that people really don't know if they are really within the law. And I really don't think it is a matter of laziness. The law is so vague that it can be twisted to suit any situation. Such as storing in a room that is not easily broken into. If you are a professional safecracker, perhaps a bank vault is easy for you, while for the average dirtbag, perhaps a gunsafe is too much for you to overcome. A lot of the posts on here are just people that are in need of more information I know some of your past association with the NFA and I understand that you have much more knowledge of the law than most of us have. But please give us the benefit of your knowledge instead of attacking us for our efforts to try and make sense of the experiences that some of us and our friends have had.
shawn said:
I know of no case where anyone has been held liable for a crime someone else commits after stealing a firearm. Or a car or any other object for that matter.



And?

You guys use this case as the boogie man and bring it up every time anyone talks about unsafe storage. Sorry but a single case of idiots laying stupid charges does not make it the status quo in Canada for the last decade or more since it happened. The BS that you will be charged if your guns are stolen is 100% pure BS and has no basis in reality.

The only reason people believe it is they are too lazy to actual look it up and other people who are too lazy to look it up keep spewing all over CGN every time anyone mentions unsafe storage

Shawn
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BR427 said:
Thank you. As for unsafe storage, it is such a nebulous concept that no one in this country really understands it. It can be construed in so many ways that people really don't know if they are really within the law. And I really don't think it is a matter of laziness. The law is so vague that it can be twisted to suit any situation. Such as storing in a room that is not easily broken into. If you are a professional safecracker, perhaps a bank vault is easy for you, while for the average dirtbag, perhaps a gunsafe is too much for you to overcome. A lot of the posts on here are just people that are in need of more information I know some of your past association with the NFA and I understand that you have much more knowledge of the law than most of us have. But please give us the benefit of your knowledge instead of attacking us for our efforts to try and make sense of the experiences that some of us and our friends have had.
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I was referring to the BS that if your guns are stolen you will be charged.

The stats simply show this to not be the case. The number people that have guns stolen is orders of magnitude larger than the people charged with unsafe storage. And the number of people charged with unsafe storage includes everyone charged with it, gang bangers, criminals and people that should not have been. Stats Can has no way to tell the difference between them when the numbers are reported only that some one was charged.

Which mean that it happens even less that the numbers show but we have no way to determine how much less.

IIRC the number of people charged with unsafe storage was around 400 for the last available year.

Shawn
 
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