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AB_blaster said:
Feel has no bearing on the fundamentals of marksmanship. Comfort is not a factor in the performance of the firearm. Those that complain that a Glock or Hk or SIG are "uncomfortable" are simply soft handed looking for an excuse to explain their poor performance or dismiss the firearm. For the plinker comfort can be an important factor in choosing a firearm but it is not a requirement for performance and should never be expressed as such. Any time I hear people discussing feel or comfort with a firearm it is a clear sign they have no clue what they're doing.
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So.... I still haven't heard you explain what IS a "requirement for performance"... all you have done is looked at my suggestion for a firearm, and explain that "feel or comfort" should not be discussed or said person has no idea what they are talking about. (Which I, of course, disagree with... just watch ANY handgun review and one point always discussed is the comfort of shooting- which also includes the ergos of pointability, but they all don't know what they are talking about clearly)

All I've seen from you in this thread is ####ting on everyone else's suggestions, while adding nothing to the conversation.

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I also will point out that nowhere did I indicate "comfort/feel" is the ONLY contributing factor to buying a handgun, and nowhere does the OP want ONLY "performance".
 
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Proper grip means many different things to different people and doesn't translate to all pistols either. When people speak of feel, fit or comfort, they may know exactly what they're talking about, or not. Lets call it a natural grip then, with an appropriately sized and contoured grip, for the way a person holds their pistol and still has the appropriate trigger reach, while being able to manage recoil. There is no one size / technique fits all.

Otherwise, I think we're all ears to learn how to properly grip our pistols, anybody want a cup of tea?

AB_blaster said:
Feel has no bearing on the fundamentals of marksmanship. Comfort is not a factor in the performance of the firearm. Those that complain that a Glock or Hk or SIG are "uncomfortable" are simply soft handed looking for an excuse to explain their poor performance or dismiss the firearm. For the plinker comfort can be an important factor in choosing a firearm but it is not a requirement for performance and should never be expressed as such. Any time I hear people discussing feel or comfort with a firearm it is a clear sign they have no clue what they're doing.
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xdmer said:
Proper grip means many different things to different people and doesn't translate to all pistols either. When people speak of feel, fit or comfort, they may know exactly what they're talking about, or not. Lets call it a natural grip then, with an appropriately sized and contoured grip, for the way a person holds their pistol and still has the appropriate trigger reach, while being able to manage recoil. There is no one size / technique fits all.

Otherwise, I think we're all ears to learn how to properly grip our pistols, anybody want a cup of tea?
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Lol exactly. One reason for pointing out the SFP9 is the 3 sets of backstraps coupled with 3 sets of side pannels can make the pistol fit a large variety of hand size, giving added comfort.
 
Some people are blessed in that they can pick up any gun and basically run with it. Just like a golf pro can work any club regardless of flex or length after a few shots. But such ability takes hard learnt skills and familiarity with firearms. Most newbies don’t have this built in. Shooting handguns is a learnt and perishable skill. Holding a handgun properly, just like gripping a golf club, is an unnatural act for a lot of people.

Most people who spend hard earned cash on their gun will factor in comfort, ease of control placement, $ among other considerations into the equation before they buy it. Feel is definitely one of them.

People have choices. We buy different cars, clothing, foods because we can. Being that most high end polymer guns are, arguably, basically similar, and seeing that no one is offering to buy me my gun, I’ll pick one that I like esthetically and feels good, for me.

Having said that, I’ve been around handguns for a long time and they all feel fine to me!

I just focus on grip, trigger squeeze and sight picture and they all work.
 
Paul_1982 said:
So.... I still haven't heard you explain what IS a "requirement for performance"... all you have done is looked at my suggestion for a firearm, and explain that "feel or comfort" should not be discussed or said person has no idea what they are talking about. (Which I, of course, disagree with... just watch ANY handgun review and one point always discussed is the comfort of shooting- which also includes the ergos of pointability, but they all don't know what they are talking about clearly)

All I've seen from you in this thread is ####ting on everyone else's suggestions, while adding nothing to the conversation.

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I also will point out that nowhere did I indicate "comfort/feel" is the ONLY contributing factor to buying a handgun, and nowhere does the OP want ONLY "performance".
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The performance of a firearm has nothing to do with the user. That should be blatantly obvious but apparently not. All handguns will out shoot nearly all users, so concerning yourself with performance with respect to accuracy is a waste of time. Concerning yourself with performance as it relates to reliability and ease of use should be a priority. Keep in mind you have limited control over reliability and ease of use.

Feel is a subjective personal opinion which is not part of the fundamentals of marksmanship, specifically handgun marksmanship. Sight alignment, trigger squeeze and follow through. That's it. Nowhere is feel or comfort listed. A proper grip keeps the pistol centered in the web of your hand and allow for proper trigger finger placement which is the centre of the first pad or the first joint if you're using a DA/SA gun. Support hand fills the void opposite your firing hand and your thumbs are pointed forward, support wrist locked. These are the ideal conditions for grip, they are not absolutely necessary to function the gun or even be proficient. A leading thumbs grip is the most stable grip and provides the greatest level of control. There are lots of little tips and techniques that will aid you in making the draw more efficient, for aiding in recoil managment thus allowing faster follow up shots etc etc. These are also not required to make consistent accurate shots but they are required if you wish to do so at speed. Go take some professional training and you'll quickly learn that being a consistent shot is not difficult. What is difficult is doing it on demand at speed in unknown or unfamiliar positions/situations. The vast majority of products sold are gimmicks and that any RELIABLE, EASY TO USE pistol will do the job.

xdmer said:
Proper grip means many different things to different people and doesn't translate to all pistols either. When people speak of feel, fit or comfort, they may know exactly what they're talking about, or not. Lets call it a natural grip then, with an appropriately sized and contoured grip, for the way a person holds their pistol and still has the appropriate trigger reach, while being able to manage recoil. There is no one size / technique fits all.

Otherwise, I think we're all ears to learn how to properly grip our pistols, anybody want a cup of tea?
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Wrong. proper grip is proper grip. You can do it your way but it likely isn't the most efficient or effective way. Comfort is subjective and personal opinion not studied and verified fact.
 
Blasphemy I tell you blasphemy. I know 3 guys (Posts 61,62, &63),who will spend their time in the hot zone. You dare question the man who writes on stone tablets. One hundred lines each on the blackboard children. "Thou shall not question he who writes on stone".

Take Care

Bob
 
AB_blaster said:
The performance of a firearm has nothing to do with the user. That should be blatantly obvious but apparently not. All handguns will out shoot nearly all users, so concerning yourself with performance with respect to accuracy is a waste of time. Concerning yourself with performance as it relates to reliability and ease of use should be a priority. Keep in mind you have limited control over reliability and ease of use.

Feel is a subjective personal opinion which is not part of the fundamentals of marksmanship, specifically handgun marksmanship. Sight alignment, trigger squeeze and follow through. That's it. Nowhere is feel or comfort listed. A proper grip keeps the pistol centered in the web of your hand and allow for proper trigger finger placement which is the centre of the first pad or the first joint if you're using a DA/SA gun. Support hand fills the void opposite your firing hand and your thumbs are pointed forward, support wrist locked. These are the ideal conditions for grip, they are not absolutely necessary to function the gun or even be proficient. A leading thumbs grip is the most stable grip and provides the greatest level of control. There are lots of little tips and techniques that will aid you in making the draw more efficient, for aiding in recoil managment thus allowing faster follow up shots etc etc. These are also not required to make consistent accurate shots but they are required if you wish to do so at speed. Go take some professional training and you'll quickly learn that being a consistent shot is not difficult. What is difficult is doing it on demand at speed in unknown or unfamiliar positions/situations. The vast majority of products sold are gimmicks and that any RELIABLE, EASY TO USE pistol will do the job.



Wrong. proper grip is proper grip. You can do it your way but it likely isn't the most efficient or effective way. Comfort is subjective and personal opinion not studied and verified fact.
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I still see nothing here that helps the OP. Just a lot of soap box talk.

I am very aware what is required for pistol shooting, and there's nothing anywhere that says you have to hold a reliable brick in your hand while executing proper grip. When shelling out your own coin on a pistol, why not pick one that feels good in your hand? Everyone's hands are different sizes.
 
Canuck44 said:
Blasphemy I tell you blasphemy. I know 3 guys (Posts 61,62, &63),who will spend their time in the hot zone. You dare question the man who writes on stone tablets. One hundred lines each on the blackboard children. "Thou shall not question he who writes on stone".

Take Care

Bob
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Lol!
 
It's fun to read posts by TDC's cousin. :)

I have a decent grip, and regularly compete in IPSC. Still don't like the P320 because it isn't comfortable for my support thumb.
 
jimbo14 said:
It's fun to read posts by TDC's cousin. :)

I have a decent grip, and regularly compete in IPSC. Still don't like the P320 because it isn't comfortable for my support thumb.
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It's weird that TDC disappeared and Kidd X appeared. Now that Kidd X has disappeared AB blaster is here...
 
Glock or M&P for universal likes, reliability and aftermarket parts availability.

Accuracy and and or competitive advantage, I'm thinking Q5 match or Stryk B....neither of which I have any experience with.
 
Anyone comment on the CZ P10C yet?
Trigger on that is very comparable to the walthers.
Been reliable so far for me.
I am very happy with it. Ergo's are perfect (for me).
 
JoKa said:
Anyone comment on the CZ P10C yet?
Trigger on that is very comparable to the walthers.
Been reliable so far for me.
I am very happy with it. Ergo's are perfect (for me).
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Looks like a really cool little gun, but I think you're the only person I've heard of actually owning one.
 
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