Suggestions for a "big and slow" caliber?

Dogleg said:
375 H&H in a M70 Alaskan. Light enough in the rifle so you don't feel like you're carrying a railroad tie around with you. Mine is a couple ounces heavier than my Featherweight in .270, and lighter than my Super-grade Featherweight. 300 grain bullets are none too fast, usually in the 25s and 26s. Go crazy with 350 and 380 if you want bigger, or drop down to 235s and you might wonder why you still have a 270. Pick up a cheap mould and you can have all the cheap ammo you want for almost nothing. Brass isn't all that bad and you don't need 1000 of them. Partial resize them and they last a long time.

There's no cartridge on your list that can do anything better. You're handloading so recoil is whatever you want it to be.
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The problem with having Dogleg on this site is that whenever I figure I have something halfway useful to say, somewhere in the thread he's already said it...
 
c-fbmi said:
BB........I used a 416 Taylor extensively in Africa my very first trip. It is a fabulous cartridge but a tad more niche than the 375 H&H and you have that niche nicely covered with your 458 WM. With the 416 Ruger commercially available now, I wouldn't bother with a Taylor. I would barrel up a new Mod 70 if you're CRF fanatic or my taste would run more to a Sako A IV Safari in 416 Ruger. If I was on the cheap it would be a 700 stainless or even a Zastava or Ruger for that matter. The Ruger is a better cartridge and brass is easily purchased or made from 375 H&H or 416 Rem brass.....(I have hundreds and hundreds of both).
Don't want to burst your bubble there BB but the Taylor has been made redundant and obsolete by the 416 Ruger. The Ruger has all the attributes of the Taylor (including not needing a true magnum action) and has a slight ballistic edge as well. The Taylor did fill a niche no other 416 could claim, Rigby ballistics through an '06 length action, however with a factory cartridge now filling that exact niche and doing it with better ballistics the Taylor no longer has a reason to exist.......sorry BB.
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Words of wisdom from a wise man...I have no argument ...except that John pondoro Taylor didn't write about the ruger in his book of African rifles and cartridges lol
The 416 Taylor and 450/400 3" nitro have intrigued me since I first read his book.
 
Some great suggestions here, just most overlook the OP's criteria of a light weight and non viscous (light) recoil.

Ruger American ranch in 450 bushmaster fits very well into the requirements
 
brybenn said:
Words of wisdom from a wise man...I have no argument ...except that John pondoro Taylor didn't write about the ruger in his book of African rifles and cartridges lol
The 416 Taylor and 450/400 3" nitro have intrigued me since I first read his book.
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While I can't say I've ever had the chance to shoot the .416, I have used the 450/400 3" a good deal. If you have that itch, my recommendation is to scratch it :) It really does live up to its reputation. It recoils enough that you know you did something pretty serious every time you pull the trigger from the bench, yet not enough to be considered punishing. Shot from a field position, the recoil is more "invigorating" or "smile inducing" than anything else. Yet when shot at something big and potentially nasty, the recoil is pretty much unnoticeable. Buffalo and elephant will do that. It makes a hell of a giraffe cartridge as well... :)

Smartest thing I ever did with that cartridge was have a custom .411 400 grain mould made up. While it does use up about 80 grains of powder with each squeeze of the trigger, shooting cast bullets made for fairly cheap practice. And given a maximum muzzle velocity of only 2150 fps with jacketed slugs, hard cast bullets with a gas check can get pushed just as close to full bore as you care to go.
 
c-fbmi said:
These threads got me all worked up.........I think I'll go load something, maybe some 358 Win.........or wait, I think I have 50 X 350 RM prepped and ready to load.
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I just finished a batch of .350 Rem Mag's loaded with 250 grain Partitions five minutes ago.
 
I learn lots from this forum...... most comes from many of the posters above...... and a lot comes from observing the reaction to their posts.....

I won’t change anything in one night, and not likely in one year......lol

This is gunnutz, and as such, we are gunnutz.....

I took my .358 win up to camp this year..... every guy at camp wants to see what I am shooting every year.... mostly because they all shoot either .308 or aught six, in a 742 or a BLR, and a guy that has something different is amazing to them.... never mind the fact that a guy brings a bolt gun!.....

My observation is that people thought the .358 was a cannon and were challenging eachother to take their turn shooting my gun and hailing the “heavy recoil”..... likely based on 358 being a bigger number than 270 or 300.....

The fact is, I really don’t think joe twonrounds a year has any idea how this works.... lol
 
Superbrad said:
I learn lots from this forum...... most comes from many of the posters above...... and a lot comes from observing the reaction to their posts.....

I won’t change anything in one night, and not likely in one year......lol

This is gunnutz, and as such, we are gunnutz.....

I took my .358 win up to camp this year..... every guy at camp wants to see what I am shooting every year.... mostly because they all shoot either .308 or aught six, in a 742 or a BLR, and a guy that has something different is amazing to them.... never mind the fact that a guy brings a bolt gun!.....

My observation is that people thought the .358 was a cannon and were challenging eachother to take their turn shooting my gun and hailing the “heavy recoil”..... likely based on 358 being a bigger number than 270 or 300.....

The fact is, I really don’t think joe twonrounds a year has any idea how this works.... lol
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Sometimes I think that recoil shy people are looking for permission to say something kicks, and since a .358 is a "cannon" after all then they can admit it and it boots them around.

In different circles a .375 is considered a mild cartridge that is entirely shootable by anyone who has the interest to learn how. Since there is little room for differing opinions they don't give themselves permission to be hurt and suddenly its an interesting and mild cartridge that doesn't have the sting of some mild numbers.

Recoil is 90% mental. People slap their steering wheel harder when there is a good country song playing than most rifles kick.
 
Dogleg said:
Sometimes I think that recoil shy people are looking for permission to say something kicks, and since a .358 is a "cannon" after all then they can admit it and it boots them around.

In different circles a .375 is considered a mild cartridge that is entirely shootable by anyone who has the interest to learn how. Since there is little room for differing opinions they don't give themselves permission to be hurt and suddenly its an interesting and mild cartridge that doesn't have the sting of some mild numbers.

Recoil is 90% mental. People slap their steering wheel harder when there is a good country song playing than most rifles kick.
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I think I can meet you 50/50 on that....... and this sets aside the “unknowing”..... is my kids, especially my oldest...

I made the mistake with my oldest of telling him years ago that something wouldn’t kick when I knew it would (a .410 slug through a boito hiker when he was 8)...... I had that “suck it up princess mentality” like dad had when he handed me my cooey 84 and slugs and sent me after deer because it was all he could afford....

Fast forward to last year and sight in day and I watched guys that shoot 30-06, .270 and even one guy with a 300wm since before shooting my 358.....

I still think it’s half perception with these guys.....

I agree with you, but man..... way too much leans on perception....
 
conor_90 said:
CFBMI curious why you have your 9.3x74r posted on the e.e? Anything wrong with it or is it just redundant?
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I don't own a 9.3X74R, and I don't have anything at all for sale on the EE right now..........You must be confusing me with someone else.


So I did go down to the loading room and started fooling around........ended up neck sizing, decapping, running the cases over an expander plug (separate process), trimming, squaring primer pocket bottoms, priming and making up a test rack of 450 Ruger. Loaded some old 510 gn W-W bullets I had kicking around with Fed 215s and some RL 15. Got the loads from several books using the 458 Lott data, have the same case capacity, give or take a couple grains, so the data should be right on the nose.
 
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TedVR said:
I have a .338/06 great round 200 to 250 grain bullets 2200 fps very little recoil
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Most 338-06 chambered rifles will push a 225 grain bullet to 2700+/- fps and a 250 to 2550+. It is a true 350-400 yard rifle but recoil - especally in a light rifle - is noticeable.

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c-fbmi said:
I don't own a 9.3X74R, and I don't have anything at all for sale on the EE right now..........You must be confusing me with someone else.
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You know that you have too many rifles when you don't remember that you even own it let alone have it listed it for sale...

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