Hand Skills
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I agree, and you don't even need brass!
Suggestions for a "big and slow" caliber?
- Thread starter Suther
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Hemorrhaging severity which is related to lethality should be proportional to wound volume, cross-sectional area x length. Note that cross-sectional area is proportional to the square of diameter. A 45 produces more wound volume than a 22. A rather gruesome topic but in law enforcement or service applications bigger bore sidearms are favored for stopping power.
"The history of the M1911 begins in the Philippines during the Spanish-American War, when U.S. soldiers and Marines found themselves locked in fierce combat with the Moro, a knife-wielding native insurgency that combined religious zeal and potent drug use.
Much of the fighting was close-quarters battle and the hopped-up Moros took round after round from U.S. .38-caliber pistols while they continued to hack away at Americans.
The heavier round began to turn the tide. It often took just one well-placed shot from the .45-caliber pistol to kill a Moro."
https://medium.com/war-is-boring/the-best-handgun-ever-stopped-attackers-cold-b4cc0c0dae1c
"The history of the M1911 begins in the Philippines during the Spanish-American War, when U.S. soldiers and Marines found themselves locked in fierce combat with the Moro, a knife-wielding native insurgency that combined religious zeal and potent drug use.
Much of the fighting was close-quarters battle and the hopped-up Moros took round after round from U.S. .38-caliber pistols while they continued to hack away at Americans.
The heavier round began to turn the tide. It often took just one well-placed shot from the .45-caliber pistol to kill a Moro."
https://medium.com/war-is-boring/the-best-handgun-ever-stopped-attackers-cold-b4cc0c0dae1c
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Hand Skills
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That's exactly why the .223 and 9mm are standard issue...?
Interestingly, folks who study this subject seriously also discover that for most shooters, hit percentage shares an inverse relationship with bore size.
Shooting big bore is like shooting long range - if you start at 1000yd you probably wont't hit the target. Everyone has physical and psycological limitations.
The OP realizes this, he is very wise in planning incremental steps toward big bore.
Interestingly, folks who study this subject seriously also discover that for most shooters, hit percentage shares an inverse relationship with bore size.
Shooting big bore is like shooting long range - if you start at 1000yd you probably wont't hit the target. Everyone has physical and psycological limitations.
The OP realizes this, he is very wise in planning incremental steps toward big bore.
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There are exceptions to using standard issue sidearms for certain applications. 6.8 SPC for example. And others.
Reduced loads are a big help for getting accustomed to big bore recoil. These are a lot of fun to handload for and to shoot. There is no replacement for displacement.
Reduced loads are a big help for getting accustomed to big bore recoil. These are a lot of fun to handload for and to shoot. There is no replacement for displacement.
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Compare a 45 ACP to a 22/250 sometime. Or a .458 solid against even a small bore soft with some real speed behind it.
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Big and slow plus 45 calibers were mentioned in the OP so 458 Win. Mag. and 458 Lott could be considered.
I've taken 1 Bull Moose with my 458 WM so far using the Hornady 500gr RN IL at 1900 fps muzzle speed. Range was about 80 meters and the bullet hit quartering at about 1700 fps, broke both shoulders and exited. 1 shot DRT. Never seen so much blood-spattered bush behind where the Bull was standing plus the large blood pool beneath it. That was one big ugly channel it made.
My 458 Lott will perform the same or better but have yet to try it out. It's on the roster for next season. Again the limitations of being able to consume only about 1 Moose per year.
Either are just the thing for big Bear shoulder busting.
458 Win. Mag. Remington 798 with Leupold FX-II Ultralight 2.5x20mm
458 Lott custom Sako AV with Leupold VX-3 1.5-5x20mm
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Excellent results with my 458 Win. Mag.
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Excellent results with my 458 Win. Mag.
My dad wears sneakers in the pool......
Big and slow...200 yards max...
As much as I love some of the cartridges being suggested here (.375H&H, 9.3x62, .358Win are all favourites), none of them even occurred to me when I read the OP's post. He's got a .270 now; an extremely versatile and capable cartridge, a do-it-all number for sure. All those other suggestions are pretty much just like that. Sure, they're a bit bigger, and maybe a bit more range-limited than a .270, but they are options I would consider if I were looking for a (or another...) general purpose rifle.
The only thing that really jumped to my mind when I read the post was the .45-70, in a lever or single-shot action. Somebody also mentioned 9.3x74, another nice choice, but tends to be more expensive.
Suther, you sound like you want something different...so get something different. Only you can decide if another bolt-action rifle with a slightly bigger hole in the barrel fits that criterion...but I can guaran-damn-tee you that a .45-70 will definitely be different than what you now have and are accustomed to. They are hard not to love...but if you try it and decide it's not for you, well, that's what the EE is for!
I have nothing to add here...just wanted to see how it feels to actually quote yourself to make a point.
For the record, it feels pretty silly...
At least what you quoted has a relevance to the Op.....
Ardent
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Ardent
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We’ve all just heard a lot of Slamfire’s bore rhetoric and most here have hunted enough to know it doesn’t hold the water a trucker hat will. Ballistic theory advanced past Slamfire’s entrenched position in about 1892. We all appreciate the banter, but we also appreciate giving him a hard time.
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- In the shadows of the Rockies
Big and slow plus 45 calibers were mentioned in the OP so 458 Win. Mag. and 458 Lott could be considered.
I've taken 1 Bull Moose with my 458 WM so far using the Hornady 500gr RN IL at 1900 fps muzzle speed. Range was about 80 meters and the bullet hit quartering at about 1700 fps, broke both shoulders and exited. 1 shot DRT. Never seen so much blood-spattered bush behind where the Bull was standing plus the large blood pool beneath it. That was one big ugly channel it made.
My 458 Lott will perform the same or better but have yet to try it out. It's on the roster for next season. Again the limitations of being able to consume only about 1 Moose per year.
Either are just the thing for big Bear shoulder busting.
458 Win. Mag. Remington 798 with Leupold FX-II Ultralight 2.5x20mm
458 Lott custom Sako AV with Leupold VX-3 1.5-5x20mm
Use my 22 instead of my 458 WM to get the same effect? OK sure I will give you all the benefit of the doubt.
And yet he quotes himself again......
Slamfire, you need to start your own thread entitled “ballistic masturbation for dummies”....... I would be the first to sponsor it so that your pollution doesn’t show up in other threads....
Slamfire, you need to start your own thread entitled “ballistic masturbation for dummies”....... I would be the first to sponsor it so that your pollution doesn’t show up in other threads....
Mate I toted my Ruger #1 303 brit yesterday with my Son, I'm guna say another Vote for 303 especially a Number One platform, if a 303 doesn't float the boat with a 215gr Woodleigh, then a Ruger #1 in your choice will be nice
