Suppressors?

[Haagen_Dazs]

I don't see any use for silencer other than illegal ones.

Such terrible logic. How about some research to show you might actually have a point (even bias ones).

The only reason ANYTHING should be illegal is for a damn good reason. There are too many things we can (yes, can) and/or cannot do/own in this country because of your exact same reasoning. I like to call it Bullsh*t.

Too many good reasons (maybe not perfect, but still valid) are being shrugged off because 'oh, if suppressors are legal illigetimate crimians will use them on me' logic/BS.

Truth is, this ban on suppressors is just as valid as our ban on throwing stars: there is no cause and effect, just effect by retards like yourself.

 

[Rick911]

Such terrible logic. How about some research to show you might actually have a point (even bias ones).

The only reason ANYTHING should be illegal is for a damn good reason. There are too many things we can (yes, can) and/or cannot do/own in this country because of your exact same reasoning. I like to call it Bullsh*t.

Too many good reasons (maybe not perfect, but still valid) are being shrugged off because 'oh, if suppressors are legal illigetimate crimians will use them on me' logic/BS.

Truth is, this ban on suppressors is just as valid as our ban on throwing stars: there is no cause and effect, just effect by retards like yourself.

You mad ?

Personal attacks and insults... Really ?

 

[Slopok]

I'd love you be able to have a surperssor for anyone of my firearms, i think that the wife would shoot more do to the tollarible recoil and sound levels that are reduced by surperssor. And using the whoe poching argument doesnt work well, i live in AB and i have a .223 in my truck all the time for yote's. does that make me a pocher??? it's enough to kill a deer on a good day here, so really am i a criminal? and if you chose to label me one, please forward your address... not saying anything will happen but i'd like to see your defination of criminal.

edit: sorry for the spelling, its early and i work nights.

 

[Haagen_Dazs]

I believe that if you shoot a rifle people around should be aware of what is going on and the noise is doing that work pretty well.

Canadian Criminal Code 86.1-3 – Careless Use - any person who uses a silencer
carelessly--without ensuring that all safety measures have been taken--has
committed a crime punishable by up to two years in prison.

And I'd hardly call it an insult, considering there is some handicap in your logic.

 

[ShawnM]

yet you have been here since may.



Anyway.
The whole "people will poach more": negated by bows. Does the potential reduction in poaching by banning bows justify it? Does the reduction in gun crime (naturally, to be taken up by other weapons) created by banning guns justify banning guns? Point is you cannot justify a ban by potential misuse, as this breaks the fundamental tenet of a free country, that one is to be considered innocent unless proven guilty. The reason others are coming down on you hard is because you do not realize the philosophical incompatibility of holding the beliefs "suppressors should be illegal" and "supporting gun rights"; you are saying one thing should be regulated because of potential for misuse, and something should be allowed despite potential for misuse. You are in the same trap as the antis who have no problem with knives, but want to ban guns.

The "people need to know somebody is shooting": why? This sounds like the idiotic argument for loud pipes on motorcycles "people need to hear me or they will run over me" "people need to hear me or they will run into my bullet trajectory"

How many clubs have had noise complaints which would not have happened with suppressors? England got them legalized based on a lawsuit that suppressors were personal protective equipment.

Saves money for indoor ranges too as they need less sound proofing.

There is no philisophical contradiction in support firearms rights and not supporting everything that is related to them. I support removing magazine capacity restrictions, I support removing the AR platform from the restricted list unless there's a barrel length, selective fire, etc. I support concealed carry permits to qualified citizens. But I don't have to support every thing. Suppresors on rifles WOULD result in increased poaching, I think it's either niave or intentionally blind to insist they won't. You can't compare a crossbow or a bow to a suppresed rifle. One has a range of hundreds of yards, the other has a range of about 50. 90% of hunters don't have the skill or physical ability to get that close to an animal, and I think the number must be higher with the poachers.

I don't take issue with people that are of a differing view point, in fact I encourage it which is why I posted on this train wreck of a thread in the first place. Look at some of the replies to me or Rob911, they are insulting, dismissive, rude, and jump to wild conclusions about my knowledge level. My words have been twisted in many cases into some unintelligable interpretations.

The disappointing side is that there is a community, such as the ones that feel they need to insult and shout down different viewpoints in this thread, that feel it's all or nothing. Fortunately there are many people out there that CAN have an intelligent conversation about these topics. And I hate to tell you boys but in this world if you're asking for all or nothing 99% of the time you'll get nothing.

 

[Suputin]

Yes I believe poaching would increase substantially if suppressors were commonplace. And if you don't have room for my opinion in your discussions then ask yourselves why the "anti's" should have room for yours?

You opinion is entirely emotional with kit a shred of proof to support it. The antis emotional response to your owning guns is exactly the same. It is based on nothing which is why you are bein treated as an anti here. The really sad thing is you just don't seem to get this.

If you do not want me deciding what firearms you should be able to own then why not extend me the same courtesy with regard to silencers? Until you can find I in your heart to treat the rest of us the way you would like to be treated then you are gonna get blasted for your ignorant attitudes towards your fellow gun owners.

In every country in the world where suppressors are legal, there have not been problems with increased crime or poaching. If you continue to insist on equating fellow gun owners as poachers in waiting then we are going to react toward you in a negative manner. It is really rather simple.

I have posted an in depth research paper. Why not educate yourself in the subject?

 

[ShawnM]

You opinion is entirely emotional with kit a shred of proof to support it. The antis emotional response to your owning guns is exactly the same. It is based on nothing which is why you are bein treated as an anti here. The really sad thing is you just don't seem to get this.

If you do not want me deciding what firearms you should be able to own then why not extend me the same courtesy with regard to silencers? Until you can find I in your heart to treat the rest of us the way you would like to be treated then you are gonna get blasted for your ignorant attitudes towards your fellow gun owners.

In every country in the world where suppressors are legal, there have not been problems with increased crime or poaching. If you continue to insist on equating fellow gun owners as poachers in waiting then we are going to react toward you in a negative manner. It is really rather simple.

I have posted an in depth research paper. Why not educate yourself in the subject?

You have NO idea what my opinion is based on. YOU are approaching this discussion from an emotional perspective. Case in point: "If you continue to insist on equating fellow gun owners as poachers in waiting then we are going to react toward you in a negative manner." Where exactly did I say this? I am pretty good at reading and comprehension so if I am missing that in my previous posts I'm open to correcting it.

I think I've wasted enough time on this thread. It will stand out for me as a great example of why the gun control lobbyists continue to gain traction in politics and the media.

 

[dryfire]

"Suppresors on rifles WOULD result in increased poaching, I think it's either niave or intentionally blind to insist they won't."

ShawnM, do you have evidence to substantiate your quote above ? Who would be tempted to poach? If a poacher,they are already engaged in poaching, if the average FA owner then why would you want one ? Would you not think it would be better for the behaviour of poaching to be addressed more severely than the device that you assert would be used in poaching?
If you believe there is a cool factor in having a suppressor to experience the effect on your FA then for your purposes is that not justification to have one?

 

[Rick911]

And I'd hardly call it an insult, considering there is some handicap in your logic.

So, if you judge there is flaws in my logic you can insult me. Solid logic there.

Anyways, my logic is pretty simple.

If my retarded neighbor shoots his rifle i want to know since it can constitute a risk, if i am shooting i don't care if people around are aware of it... Noise is doing that work.

Why dont you invest in a 15$ muffs and ear protection and then pass to something else instead of trying to change the world ?

Don't get me wrong i would love to have suppressors but the arguments to legalize them are too absurds. Also, dont get things mixed up, nobody needs arguments to leave it prohibited since its already done. YOU need arguments to make it change. Statu quo is stronger than lame arguments as the hearing protection thing.

I am for gun rights and all. But the suppressor thing just does not make any sense.

 

[dryfire]

My logic is pretty simple.

If my retarded neighbor shoots his rifle i want to know since it can constitute a risk, if i am shooting i don't care if people around are aware of it... Noise is doing that work.

Why dont you invest in a 15$ muffs and ear protection and then pass to something else instead of trying to change the world ?

Don't get me wrong i would love to have suppressors but the arguments to legalize them are too absurds. Also, dont get things mixed up, nobody needs arguments to leave it prohibited since its already done. YOU need arguments to make it change. Statu quo is stronger than lame arguments as the hearing protection thing.

Calling others that don't think exactly like you names don't make you look good btw.

If this is so what argument would you present to justify you having a suppressor that is not absurd?

 

[rsp1761]

My personal opinion remains sound suppressors would be a net positive for the shooting community if they were commonplace and lead to increased opportunity to enjoy all types of shooting sports.

 

[Rick911]

If this is so what argument would you present to justify you having a suppressor that is not absurd?

I have none besides the fact it would be fun.

This does not constitute a very solid argument. Thats why i think the law should not change concerning those.

Pinned mags is a worthy fight, not that.

 

[crackerbarrel2]

The suppressor ban makes about as much sense as the barrel length restrictions on handgun's..or long guns for that matter...

 

[dryfire]

I have none besides the fact it would be fun.

This does not constitute a very solid argument. Thats why i think the law should not change concerning those.

Pinned mags is a worthy fight, not that.

So your argument for keepin them prohibited is because you believe your motives shouldn't be indulged and you dismiss the arguments presented by others.
Not wanting to hijacking this thread ,I don't see how unlimited mag capacity is any more valid than legallizing suppressors. ?!

 

[Rick911]

Not wanting to hijacking this thread ,I don't see how unlimited mag capacity is any more valid than legallizing suppressors. ?!

The main argument for suppressors can be solve with 2$ ear plugs.

Having to reload every 10 sec is a huge PITA. Pinned mag can't really be solved without removing the pin which is illegal. If it could be solved for 2$ then it wouldnt be a big issue.

 

[dryfire]

The main argument for suppressors can be solve with 2$ ear plugs.

Pinned mag can't really be solved without removing the pin which is illegal. If it could be solved for 2$ then it wouldnt be a big issue.

Not so, argument has been presented re encroachment of suburbs proximate to many ranges. Pinned mags can be solved for less than .02.
Again , the argument addresses the device and not behaviour .

 

[Rick911]

Not so, argument has been presented re encroachment of suburbs proximate to many ranges. Pinned mags can be solved for less than .02.
Again , the argument addresses the device and not behaviour .

Ranges should build accordingly. Suppressors are not the answer....

Tell me how you can solve pinned mags to avoid reloading every 10 sec for 0.02$.

 

[c4pyro]

I respect people having opinions and some might just not want suppressors, but to say unpinned mags is a worthy fight and suppressors aren't....the arguments are equally as "rediculous". I want both unpinned mags and suppressors.

Now I am not going to insult anyone because two people smashing each other over the head with rocks doesn't get anybody anywhere but on the defence. One could argue that you don't need unpinned mags, just reload. Some might argue that if we had unpinned mags we would then be more inclined to go rob banks as we have more ammo on hand. Criminals are criminals. Ther guns aren't registered, they can use unpinned mags or unpinned them themselves and they don't use ear muffs. Again, criminality has nothing to do with the amount of ammo in your firearm or what's on it. It has to do with your intended us behind the tool itself. A hammer is just a hammer but if I smack someone with it it becomes something different.

Poachers will poach. Noise or no noise won't stop that. Suppressors don't make things whisper quiet but it is nice to have a conversation on the range without someone cooking off a round and you don't have your ears in.
I get to occasionally use suppressors legally and unpinned mags as well. They are both great and both have their advantages, but having someone tell me to get some muffs is like me telling them to reload more. If your concerned about your idiot neighbor shooting your still gonna hear it with. Suppressor on with any center fire rifle out there. It will sound like a 22 going off beside you instead of someone open hand slapping you in the ear.

Both sides have arguments, both entitled to your oppinions, but my hearing is important. The reason it gets brought up is because in all the countries that have had suppressors made available, this was the argument used and it was more then successful. You might think it sounds rediculous but the guy on the other end of the table listening to the unpinned mag argument might think it is just as rediculous.

I do agree we need to move a step at a time. Look how long it took to get rid of the long gun registry? One step at a time and at least be open minded liking at the other guys side of things, without pissing in each others cornflakes and attacking each other.

If you want to hack on each other, maybe try the pm feature.

Hopefully we can get back to the important part of the discussion.

 

[Toolman]

Ranges should build accordingly. Suppressors are not the answer...

Urban sprawl......in some cases ranges were there for decades before they had any neighbours. Tough to plan for I would think.

 

[Toolman]

If my retarded neighbor shoots his rifle i want to know since it can constitute a risk, if i am shooting i don't care if people around are aware of it... Noise is doing that work.


I am for gun rights and all. But the suppressor thing just does not make any sense.

Rick911, I will use your neighbor example because it applies to me. I live in a very rural setting with only a couple of neighbors within a mile or so of me. It is legal for me to discharge where I am and I do have the room and the backstop. So everything is good and safe. However I never do because I think about my neighbors and I do not want to annoy them. Can you imagine hearing my 308 going off for hours at a time? Noise pollution pure and simple.

With a suppressor I could shot at home AND be a good neighbor.