Suppressors?

Suputin said:
And this is why we can't have nice stuff. Our own members stabbing the rest of us in the back. Thanks for the support there bud. :(

Just imagine how little poaching there would be if the government just took your guns away. You are 3/4 the way to buying a membership with Coalition for Gun Control. THIS is clearly NOT the correct forum for you.
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Oh drop dead. I'm not stabbing anyone in the back. I failed to see the gun ownership members rules that said we all had to agree 100% on every issue. If you cant stand a differing view point you are in exactly the same trap that the anti's are in. They paint us all with the same brush and brow-beating people that speak up with different view points facilitates that.
 
ShawnM said:
Didn't say that, if you think I did try re-reading my post.

If you guys think poaching wouldn't increase if suppresors were available at a sporting goods store then you need to step back and take a look at the broader picture. It's one thing to have hobbies, enthusiams, etc. but it's another to be blind to the bigger picture.
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As it turns out it is you who hasn't bothered to look into the facts. If you did, you would know that where suppressors have been legalized, the incidence of poaching has not been affected. The big picture that WE are all cognoscenti of is that you are equating gun owners with criminals in waiting if only they had access to a quiet firearm. This is the EXACT SAME. Thinking that the antis use.

As for the protecting shooter's ears arguments. It's pretty lame really, a 25 cent pair of ear plugs would do just as much to protect your ears and doesn't invite the potential that suppresors would.
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If you had bothered to read my paper on Legalizing Suppressor you would also know that foamy plugs are in fact not capae of reducing the noise of a centre fire rifle below the hearing safe threshold. On top of that how many hunters stop and take the time to insert ear plugs before taking a shot. Additionally foamy earplugs do nothing to prevent noise pollution in the environment.
 
Oh we can accept differing viewpoints if the make sense... But this doesn't its just poorly thought out and you go and get defensive rather than looking at it rationally. People will poach, regardless of whether they can get a suppressor or not. They will poach just the same. If they are worried about noise they will use a bow which is much quieter than even a suppressed firearm. If they aren't worried about noise then they won't bother and will still just use a gun. Suppressor has nothing to with poaching.

Logic is what matters and differentiates the PRO firearms discussion from the anti's emotional position. Try it.. You'll like it.

ShawnM said:
Oh drop dead. I'm not stabbing anyone in the back. I failed to see the gun ownership members rules that said we all had to agree 100% on every issue. If you cant stand a differing view point you are in exactly the same trap that the anti's are in. They paint us all with the same brush and brow-beating people that speak up with different view points facilitates that.
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And probably won't have any by by calling all gun owners potential poachers. The only thing stopping them is not being able to by a suppressor.
 
They would be nearly equally useless if they were restricted devices, since you would only be able to use them in your indoor shooting range, not out in the fields where they would do the most good for farmers, landowners, etc. They need to be NR.
 
Quit it all of you non-believers; can't help it to throw in my two cents woth!
My belly is sore as I'm literally cracking up here mates. We've gone trough this same old 'BS' when I first started out gunsmithing back in NZ in the early 80's-90's, with all these tantrum-throwing 'anti-gun nutters' who where adament to keep 'silencers/moderators/cannes' banned; as these could literally walk off into the streets or fields on their own and treaten all of their miserable lives. NZ has now become one of the countries with the highest individual/private use of silencers and you would have a very hard time finding any ctr-fires /rimfires without a 'can'. In fact: it had become a big part of our income to built and fit these over the last 10 yrs, before I moved. Don't mind us humans or the medical bills we and ouyr siblings have to face later-on in live, but at least all of the hunting-dogs and the live stock on the farms are very thankfull for finally having legalized it.
Past NZ 'stats' have shown that it had no effect whatsoever on crime; moreso it had little or no influence on the amount of poaching going on! More so: the state of our economy and the annual overall income and well-being of our citizens has!
 
Would love if it was legal but you guys need stronger arguments.

Ear protection is lame (Too obvious to detail why) and neighbour reasons too.

I'm not an anti at all but negative sides seem to outweight positive ones.
 
ShawnM, none of us mind a dissenting opinion. What we do mind is being thrown under the bus by one of our own. Read the Legalize Silencers paper then come back and we'll discuss it.


Ear protection is lame (Too obvious to detail why) and neighbour reasons too.
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Ear protection is the best reason to have sound suppressors. Look it up, hearing damage costs Canadians more than $15 Billion annually. Hearing damage is a major health issue today.

Hearing protection is also the basis upon which UK shooters fought and won the right to use silencers on health & safety reasons.
 
Rick911 said:
Would love if it was legal but you guys need stronger arguments.

Ear protection is lame (Too obvious to detail why) and neighbour reasons too.

I'm not an anti at all but negative sides seem to outweight positive ones.
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And what negatives are there?

Care to list for us the rash of crimes commited with suppressors?

Shawn
 
Rick911 said:
Would love if it was legal but you guys need stronger arguments.

Ear protection is lame (Too obvious to detail why) and neighbour reasons too.

I'm not an anti at all but negative sides seem to outweight positive ones.
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What negatives are there? Cars need mufflers or you get a fine. Guns need mufflers too. Noise pollution is all the same whether its from a car or a gun.
 
I believe that if you shoot a rifle people around should be aware of what is going on and the noise is doing that work pretty well.

I don't see any use for silencer other than illegal ones.

If you want to protect your ears, invest in a 15$ muffs.

I am for gun rights and i would like for them (suppressors) to be legal but that position (for ears and noise pollution) is just too absurd.

Here is another lame argument that i found for you guys !

It reduce the amount of lead that might be inhaled by the shooter and others around them !

Don't be mad. Its just how i see it. It might change.
 
I don't know about you guys but what I noticed is that silencers don't make the gun shots nearly inaudible like in movies and video games, they are still very loud ,quieter yes but still comparable to a .22 and those can be herd from 2-3 km away on a clear calm day. Even with ear plugs/muffs its pretty loud and hearing loss isn't just attributed to the loud noises, its caused by every single sound you have ever herd, quiet or loud they all make you lose your hearing little by little.

It may be just me but I'd love to be able to enjoy all the sights and sounds nature has to offer me while I go out and shoot.
 
celeb, what do you know. First of all, use subsonic projectiles. Secondly, even with supersonic ones, neighbours sure will appreciate it.

I don't know if anybody mentioned it, I did not read the whole thread, but Saltspring Rod and Gun club is on the verge of closing down because of noise complains. Purely the case for allowing local use of suppressors, at least as a test case study or whatever. Islanders are locked in there, there is no way to move club anywhere else, this is just the rock on the water so to speak. Club is losing it, all the while lawyers are having a little party.
 
Perhaps I didn't elaborate enough but I was explaining to the anti silencer people or the miseducated that they don't turn boom,boom boom,that can be herd from 5-10km away to pow pow pow that can hardly be herd 20 feet away witch like I said is contrary to what you see in movies and video games. I'm sure you could make it very quite with sub sonic rounds and a silencer but I'm talking about full power ammo.

P.s thanks for being polite about it and you even spelt my name wrong
 
Rick911 said:
I believe that if you shoot a rifle people around should be aware of what is going on and the noise is doing that work pretty well.

I don't see any use for silencer other than illegal ones.

If you want to protect your ears, invest in a 15$ muffs.

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Many ranges are in close proximity to suburbs and I'm sure many of those residents would prefer no gunfire. If you see no use but illegal uses for suppressors why would you want them to be legal ?
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Rick911 said:
I believe that if you shoot a rifle people around should be aware of what is going on and the noise is doing that work pretty well.

I don't see any use for silencer other than illegal ones.

If you want to protect your ears, invest in a 15$ muffs.

I am for gun rights and i would like for them (suppressors) to be legal but that position (for ears and noise pollution) is just too absurd.

Here is another lame argument that i found for you guys !

It reduce the amount of lead that might be inhaled by the shooter and others around them !

Don't be mad. Its just how i see it. It might change.
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So you think the only use for silencers are illegal ones? But have no proof of this.

That sounds an awful like the arguments I heard in favor of the LGR. So explain to us how is preventing hearing damage and noise pollution absurd? Also how come in the places that silencers are legal there have not been all this mythical illegal use of silencers?

Shawn
 
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