SVT40's with FAKE Nazi Markings
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Pretty sure this is the guy who PM'd me and wanted to swap my SVT for one of his in a case that he just bought. I said NO.
Maybe this is a stupid question, but do people collect things because there is a Nazi stamp on them? My grandfather fought against them, I wouldn't want it in my house.
Maybe this is a stupid question, but do people collect things because there is a Nazi stamp on them? My grandfather fought against them, I wouldn't want it in my house.
Well, quite the attack led on by Coyote Ugly; a member who posts negative/degrading comments on a regular basis.
As per the "said" rifles. They came out of a sealed crate of SVT 40's. Both were found in the second row. No premium pricing was paid for the crate. The stampings are also blued - not in the white (fresh) and the blueing matches the finish on the rest of the re-furb'd rifle.
If you read the K98 forum link, all people say is that some of these rifles turned up 35 years ago. They could be legit or they could have been faked in Europe 35 years ago? Some people also comment on re-finishing - well last time I checked these are arsenal re-finished rifles?
There is also some concern about the size of the Reichs eagle, seeing that there were at least three different sizes of Reichs eagles/firing proofs used by the Wehrmacht, again no grave concern. The Reichs eagles on these rifles also have the proper amount of feathers found on original Reichs eagles, versus fake stamps sold by dealer in Europe that added on another feather, so collectors could spot fakes. Fake stamps are also made for marking wood and leather, not metal.
As the seller all I know is that I did not fake them, they were found as is. Perhaps they are left overs of faked rifles from 35 years ago, but that seems far fetched. Maybe they are legit.
From the information I had, I sold them as what I still believe them to be. I could be wrong and no one is perfect.
I have been on this and other forums too long to deal is fake gear/rifles and whenever I have sold repro kit I have always advertised it as such. If I really wanted to fake rifles, why would I use a rifle with a stock repair etc? Versus faking pristine examples? It just doesn't make sense.
Until you have some rock hard evidence that these are fake or that I am knowingly selling fake rifles, you should beware of defamation of character.
As per "st1264" I have never contacted you and I am sorry if you felt bad that I sold my first four rifles out of the crate within $10.00 of cost and you have been having problems selling your own rifles.
After years of collecting, why risk my name over $200-400 between two rifles? The collector community is way to small to burn people knowingly. If you check out those other links Coyote Ugly posted on fake markings, I commented on those blatant/over zelous fakes.
As per the "said" rifles. They came out of a sealed crate of SVT 40's. Both were found in the second row. No premium pricing was paid for the crate. The stampings are also blued - not in the white (fresh) and the blueing matches the finish on the rest of the re-furb'd rifle.
If you read the K98 forum link, all people say is that some of these rifles turned up 35 years ago. They could be legit or they could have been faked in Europe 35 years ago? Some people also comment on re-finishing - well last time I checked these are arsenal re-finished rifles?
There is also some concern about the size of the Reichs eagle, seeing that there were at least three different sizes of Reichs eagles/firing proofs used by the Wehrmacht, again no grave concern. The Reichs eagles on these rifles also have the proper amount of feathers found on original Reichs eagles, versus fake stamps sold by dealer in Europe that added on another feather, so collectors could spot fakes. Fake stamps are also made for marking wood and leather, not metal.
As the seller all I know is that I did not fake them, they were found as is. Perhaps they are left overs of faked rifles from 35 years ago, but that seems far fetched. Maybe they are legit.
From the information I had, I sold them as what I still believe them to be. I could be wrong and no one is perfect.
I have been on this and other forums too long to deal is fake gear/rifles and whenever I have sold repro kit I have always advertised it as such. If I really wanted to fake rifles, why would I use a rifle with a stock repair etc? Versus faking pristine examples? It just doesn't make sense.
Until you have some rock hard evidence that these are fake or that I am knowingly selling fake rifles, you should beware of defamation of character.
As per "st1264" I have never contacted you and I am sorry if you felt bad that I sold my first four rifles out of the crate within $10.00 of cost and you have been having problems selling your own rifles.
After years of collecting, why risk my name over $200-400 between two rifles? The collector community is way to small to burn people knowingly. If you check out those other links Coyote Ugly posted on fake markings, I commented on those blatant/over zelous fakes.
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Seeing that all defamatory comments are "hearsay" or "layman" opinions and not based on any facts or re-search, I would appreciate it if a Moderator would pull this thread.
The only 'evidence' comes from the opinions of some Americans who would be lucky if they had handled an SVT's in their lifetime and are not even members of our forum.
The only 'evidence' comes from the opinions of some Americans who would be lucky if they had handled an SVT's in their lifetime and are not even members of our forum.
FWIW, I am NOT making any accusations against the seller, but in my personal opinion - those markings are not legit WW2. How they got there is anyone's guess.
In my view, they look like repro stamps intended for leather goods.
In my view, they look like repro stamps intended for leather goods.
I wasn't selling any rifles. Ok dude. I could care less what you are selling or what your profit margins are. Have a nice day, sir. I wouldn't have anything allowed in my house with a Nazi marking on it.
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Both my grandfathers did as well and it doesn't bother me in the slightest that anyone would want to collect any historical item, including Nazi memorabilia.
Some people find the history behind the items fascinating and so they collect nazi memorabila.
In this case an actual Nazi captured and proof stamped Soviet SVT40 would be worth quite a good chunk of money so that is a huge factor here.
It's clearly a faked stamp though. It looks almost cartoon like and a little "well preserved" for a 70 plus year old war time stamping lolol
Look at the lines of that stamp compated to the others around it which all came from the same time period. Ridiculous!
Who knows though maybe my first impression is right out to lunch. I don't know everything, of that I'm sure.
I'm not expert on WW2 German markings but didn't Germany take in, inspect (and mark), and reissued equipment during the early stages of the war ? I can imagine this was dropped later on but I can see a large pile of Mosin 91.30s and SVT38s/40s being taken in during 1941's push into Russia, inspected and potentially marked by the inspector with a WaA, and re-issued to the troops on the battle line.
Just my two cents worth.
Just my two cents worth.
Coyote Ugly
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Quit being so hard on yourself. No one is attacking you. The item in question is the SVT40 rifles with the FAKE Nazi Stamps. That is the issue. It's not a pretty thing when a Turd Alert is called. 
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Coyote Ugly
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diesel_weasel666
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Wow, the tool and die maker who made that stamp must have been pretty drunk.
Haven't seen anything that fake since my last ####o. It makes the average Khyber Pass forger look like Picasso.
Haven't seen anything that fake since my last ####o. It makes the average Khyber Pass forger look like Picasso.
I'm less of an expert than you are, but I think the issue is not that these rifles had Nazi markings on them, because Germany did mark reissued equipment like you said, but rather that the markings found on these two particular SVT rifles are not real Nazi markings, but fakes.
I dont think anyone is trying to slander you agentcq. I believe they came from europe this way, but they have been ebellishing K98s with SS markings as well.
And nabs, this isnt a waffenamt. This stamp is in the style of fireproof, which would only be applied to a german made item i believe. Bolt, receiver, barrel.
And nabs, this isnt a waffenamt. This stamp is in the style of fireproof, which would only be applied to a german made item i believe. Bolt, receiver, barrel.
diesel_weasel666
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Man take a chill pill. Its just a symbol stamped on some stuff. Doesnt mean we are all nazis, you can respect the past and still collect nazi items.
I just get offended when one of the accusers (Coyote Ugly) is the same individual that falsely questioned:
1. Recent 91/30 snipers as being fakes - when if fact the rifles turned out to be refurb'd original snipers with refurb'd orignal coponenets; and
2. Two RC Single Rune Rifles - One of which was confirmed as an authentic Single Rune by one of the founders of the K98 Forum (also an author of Kriegsmodell) and the rifle was added to the Single Rune library on that site. The second rifle was neither confirmed as a fake or an original but remained undetermined.
The same individual also inferred that I was a "turd" when I have reported 'known' fake stampings on the K98 Forum on multiple occasions.
1. Recent 91/30 snipers as being fakes - when if fact the rifles turned out to be refurb'd original snipers with refurb'd orignal coponenets; and
2. Two RC Single Rune Rifles - One of which was confirmed as an authentic Single Rune by one of the founders of the K98 Forum (also an author of Kriegsmodell) and the rifle was added to the Single Rune library on that site. The second rifle was neither confirmed as a fake or an original but remained undetermined.
The same individual also inferred that I was a "turd" when I have reported 'known' fake stampings on the K98 Forum on multiple occasions.
Depot marks usually aren't so large. And the letters are the important part! Lol
