I have looked at the detailed (exploded) diagrams of both the 540 and the 550. I also compared those with the diagram included in the manual for an early SAN and, for the life of me, I can't tell the difference between the 540 and the 550. At least, the uppers that are the "legal" receivers, look identical to me. Now, if the dimensions of, say, the bolt carriers are different and not interchangeable, I cannot tell. So there may be some dimensional differences otherwise the actions are the same. To complicate matters even more, the manual of the early SAN that I have seen from a friend out in BC lists the rifle that it describes as 550 and 551 (the carbine version). Now, I am not saying that the SAN is not based on the Sig 540, since the 550 is also a variant of the 540, but how does one tell them apart? Is the lower that makes the difference in some way but the lower is not the "firearm" in Canada. I hope someone can make sense of this and the SAN owners can keep enjoying their unrestricted rifles.
Swiss Arm Green Special, Black Special,etc.... any news ????
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I have looked at the detailed (exploded) diagrams of both the 540 and the 550. I also compared those with the diagram included in the manual for an early SAN and, for the life of me, I can't tell the difference between the 540 and the 550. At least, the uppers that are the "legal" receivers, look identical to me. Now, if the dimensions of, say, the bolt carriers are different and not interchangeable, I cannot tell. So there may be some dimensional differences otherwise the actions are the same. To complicate matters even more, the manual of the early SAN that I have seen from a friend out in BC lists the rifle that it describes as 550 and 551 (the carbine version). Now, I am not saying that the SAN is not based on the Sig 540, since the 550 is also a variant of the 540, but how does one tell them apart? Is the lower that makes the difference in some way but the lower is not the "firearm" in Canada. I hope someone can make sense of this and the SAN owners can keep enjoying their unrestricted rifles.
look behind !
"The Armi Jager AP-80 is a .22-calibre rimfire rifle that looks like the AK-47, the Soviet-era military rifle. The fact is the AP-80 doesn’t work like the AK-47, fires a vastly smaller round than the AK-47 and has no parts that are interchangeable with the AK-47.
This change appears to be based on looks.
“It is not a decision that I make as a politician, it’s something that the police and classification experts make,”
Are you Sure Letter is enough ??? maybe,maybe not...
"The Armi Jager AP-80 is a .22-calibre rimfire rifle that looks like the AK-47, the Soviet-era military rifle. The fact is the AP-80 doesn’t work like the AK-47, fires a vastly smaller round than the AK-47 and has no parts that are interchangeable with the AK-47.
This change appears to be based on looks.
“It is not a decision that I make as a politician, it’s something that the police and classification experts make,”
Are you Sure Letter is enough ??? maybe,maybe not...
I was aware of both references, HOWEVER, they both refer to differences between F/A, S/A and C/A within the same "family", so to speak. It does not address my question, how can one tell a 540 from a 550 uppers? Are they the same and the lowers are different enough to distinguish the among the 540, 550 and PE90 variants? This is the lineage issue question.
The lineage is a seperate issue from the C/A one, unfortunately when those rifles got sent to the RCMP everything went sideways. If the retailers and importers would have contacted SAN and set up a program to deal with the problem of getting the C/A's that made it here by mistake out of civilian hands before contacting the RCMP we would likely not be in this situation.
It is going to be up to SAN to produce the same paperwork they did 12 years ago when the RCMP didn't bother looking at it to show lineage again, hopefully that is good enough and the retailers here are already setting up a program to buy back/exchange the C/A rifles as they will have to be dealt with regardless of which way the lineage question goes.
f*** I basically just bought a Swiss Arms cqb and carbine this week. I never even heard about this until a couple days ago because I never had any interest in the swiss arms, I just got the bug, and it bit me hard.
Now I'm getting super super cold feet and don't know what to do. I can't afford to be out $5000, that's a lot of money for me.
Quick question for you guys that are very technical about these rifles - Are the FAMAE rifles not identical to the swiss arms rifles? interchangeable parts and all?
I really do want the SA rifles, I heard only amazing things about their quality and would hate to lose them after only a short time
Now I'm getting super super cold feet and don't know what to do. I can't afford to be out $5000, that's a lot of money for me.
Quick question for you guys that are very technical about these rifles - Are the FAMAE rifles not identical to the swiss arms rifles? interchangeable parts and all?
I really do want the SA rifles, I heard only amazing things about their quality and would hate to lose them after only a short time
Apparently not. Check out this thread (click here).
So you just heard about this rifle being up for review? Then I assume you haven't written a letter, so click here for letters you can use to write the various MP's, PSM, and PM with the issue.
Otherwise no news is good news for now. Enjoy your rifle and don't abandon ship.
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f*** I basically just bought a Swiss Arms cqb and carbine this week. I never even heard about this until a couple days ago because I never had any interest in the swiss arms, I just got the bug, and it bit me hard.
Now I'm getting super super cold feet and don't know what to do. I can't afford to be out $5000, that's a lot of money for me.
Quick question for you guys that are very technical about these rifles - Are the FAMAE rifles not identical to the swiss arms rifles? interchangeable parts and all?
I really do want the SA rifles, I heard only amazing things about their quality and would hate to lose them after only a short time
Relax, have some faith, everything will be fine
On another note, do you live in a cave?
There is another option that the lab has.
They can simply choose to sit on the issue and do nothing.
Remember the SCAR classification? That dragged out for years.
They might just use the same tactic with this mess. Let it drag on for a really long time while trying to figure out what to do.
They can simply choose to sit on the issue and do nothing.
Remember the SCAR classification? That dragged out for years.
They might just use the same tactic with this mess. Let it drag on for a really long time while trying to figure out what to do.
It terrifies me that our rights and freedoms can be so easily swept aside because so much of our population reside in large urban centers and can't see past city limits (and city crime). They win by sheer number. They can out vote us in parliament wether we like it or not. Regardless of the fact that we are law abiding citizens, we are being treated like the legal and responsible firearms owners are the threat of gun crime.
Based on the definition, the 551 & 552 are variants of the 550. The modern civilian versions are not variants because they are not capable of full-auto fire and other reasons. If the civilian version is deemed a variant based on appearance, why isn't an Airsoft version, dewat or the mere illustration of one considered a prohibited device? I don't believe that is reasonable or the intent of the law. If the civilian versions are deemed variants, the firearms lab may be inadvertently proving themselves guilty of gross negligence/incompetence.
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Based on how they have sometimes looked at the AR15 and it's Varients all they would need to do is swap uppers between and 550 and a Swissarms and see if they fit/function. Then again the AR18 and AR180B contradict this line of reasoning as they can swap uppers and one is prohip and the other is non-restricted. If the Swiss lower was the registerd part then this precident might have been used but they (who I don't know?) saw fit to make the upper of the swiss the registered part so I don't know if the AR180B example could be used to help. And to think of it now, perhaps the AR180B is going to be reclassified as a result of the swissarms mess.
Relax, have some faith, everything will be fine
On another note, do you live in a cave?
lol yeah seems that way. just haven't had any interest in the swiss arms rifles until recently. I'm going to get them regardless of what is going on, I really want those rifles.
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