Swiss Arms - worth the price?

I got a used (I think barely) Black Special from TSE last year and mounted up a 3.5-15x56 NF NXS, so chalk that up to 5G's give or take with rings and a couple add ons....worth every penny. And I can shoot coyotes (sask ranchers like the help) or gophers with it whenever is legally viable.....I prefer gophers (smaller targets!).
 
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The Les Baer AR-15 is actually $500 cheaper than the Swiss Arms PE-90.

How does the HK SL8-4 compare to the PE-90 in terms of accuracy?
 
beltfed said:
A custom Les baer or JP enteprises AR will run you more than a Sig....
While the Sigs aren't cheap, I think the two ARs mentioned above offer even less for more...
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No they aren't they're cheaper, in fact they're WAY cheaper than the Sniper model was, around half the price.

It's just the hassle of it like I said. You've got to get them to build it (and build it sight unseen), pay them before you've ever touched it, get it exported and registered and then once you've got it, you can only use it on approved ranges.

All that hassle = $$$. The list price is irrelevant, the shipping, custom fees and export fees are going to put you over the price of a PE90.

So if you're only going to buy one or the other, hmm, depends on what you plan on using it for really.
 
Well, if anybody is interested, I'm most likely going to be selling my Black Special (ex condition), as I don't like the idea of having to pay 350$ to put scope mounts on it. :)

You can always fire a prv msg and I'll let you know when decision time comes. 95% sure it's going in the EE, and it would be for ~2650$.
 
cybershooters said:
No they aren't they're cheaper, in fact they're WAY cheaper than the Sniper model was, around half the price.

It's just the hassle of it like I said. You've got to get them to build it (and build it sight unseen), pay them before you've ever touched it, get it exported and registered and then once you've got it, you can only use it on approved ranges.

All that hassle = $$$. The list price is irrelevant, the shipping, custom fees and export fees are going to put you over the price of a PE90.

So if you're only going to buy one or the other, hmm, depends on what you plan on using it for really.
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What? :confused: I wasn't comparing the JP and Les Baer model to the Sig sniper model, I was comparing them to a regular Sig PE-90.

There is nothing that JP and Les Baer do to an AR that the average monkey with proper tools can't do to an AR. They are plug and play, and dead simple.
There are three things that make an AR shoot. 1) Barrel 2)Ammo 3) shooter.
The rest of the add on crap is just fluff, and will not make it more accurate. All the fluff may make the Shooter more accurate, but that is another subject. When you buy JP or Les Baer, there is no question you are getting an accurate AR, but you are paying for FLUFF.
 
ummm $350 to put scope rings on it? that's cheap dude. price out what those of us with sniper rigs (bolt guns) are paying for rings and bases. the same or more quite easily.
 
That may be true, but I think I'll re-invest in other projects: I have an itching for a P229R, a tricked out 10/22 and an AR.

I mean, any two of those together come to less than the PE90. That's the way I see it, anyway... :redface:
 
Well, I almost had to sell mine this week but it looks like I can keep it....thank god as I've been having night sweats at the prospect.

The whole thing is entirely dependent on what you can afford.

Strangeday could have 4-5 ForTwo Smart cars instead of his Porche but I'm guessing that trade won't happen by choice.

Love my swissarms.

jl
 
Seriously, pound for pound, $ for $, there isn't anything an AR cannot do better than the swiss arms with the same budget. However, that is not the point. The point is go buy whatever you like!!! if you like them, buy them!! We all know that Porsche deliberately set the price higher because market research shows that sales actually goes up for that segment of market if the price is higher. Whether it is worth it at the end of the day is a highly biased question that is an exercise of self-justification. I have two swiss arms - I like them becauase I just like them, is my CQB better than my "LMT CQBR - probably not. However, I still like it - and i will buy another one with LB barrel and 553 gas system if they will become available. I don't have to justify my liking of them by convincing myself they are the best thing since sliced bread. Just like the TAVOR, I am getting one (maybe two) for sure. I seriously don't think they will ever replace my ARs as the most preferred zombies/vampires/werewolves blasters. They are interesting firearms and they are not crap.....and I like them. They are worth it as long as I like them!!! iyou dont need to tell your buddies yo buy certain things because of such and such reasons, so you don't look stupid. You need to feel good about your purchase. It doesn't need to be logical, you don't need to justify to yourself or whoever at the range. You may buy rather stupid things (like those Kommando arms pseudo SMG....) but as long as you like it other people's opinion on how much you spend on it is irrevelant.

So spend that 3K and get the Swiss arms - don't think about it. Feel good about your purchase.
 
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Greentips,
I always think long and hard before making any purchase.
There are always pros/cons to everything. Why someone makes a purchase always interests me. That being said there are certain things that might sway an opinion. For example it could be the best firearm in the world, but if it's really ugly some people will refuse to buy it. That is personal preference and does play a part in the decision process (although to a lesser extent than other factors).

Cyborshooter. The Les Baer AR-15 ultimate varmint is $2500 before tax in Canada. So it's $500 cheaper than a Swiss Arms PE-90

Les Baer: Restricted. AR, I like the style. Jewell match trigger, stainless bull barell. High quality forged. 1/2 moa or less guarantee. $2500.

PE-90: Non-restricted. Swiss quality, fairly accurate (although not specifically designed for common North American Match ammo). Gas piston system, reduces crud, wear and some recoil. No bull barell. Cost $3000 before taxes

HK SL8-4: Non-restricted. Based on German G36. Gas piston system like the PE-90. Bull barell, trigger less than that of a G36 and said to be pretty decent. Considered to be fairly accurate (not as accurate as the Les Baer however). Cost $2200 before tax.

Lots of choices out there. I wish I could afford to buy one of them all :D
 
The Swiss/Sig line of rifles are the finest, most reliable, most durable and possibly the most accurate assault rifles in the world. Period. Comparing any make of AR 15 to a 550 is a complete mismatch. The sig line combines the reliability of a AK action with better than M16 accuracy.

Ya its more expensive. And Ya the Stag Arms/Colt/ blah blah blah are cheaper.....and they look sooooo cool. But do you wanna live ?

Better hope your "economically priced" AR 15 does not get wet or a bit of dust in it.
 
Problem is that lots of "qualities" are more like opinions than facts. At the end of the day, most people pretty much figure out what they like anyways it is just a matter of making up "facts", which are mostly opinions anyways, to convince that they have made the correct decisions. Like you said, people based their decisions on a highly subjective quality aka "aesthetic" qaulity which at the end supersede all other reasons. i can tell you 10 reasons why you should buy a swiss arms, but on the other hand I can tell you another 10 reason why you should not. I can do it any rifles as a matter of fact!!! At the end of the day, people pick the one they want, just like some people hate carrots. For example, the qualities you listed for each choice does not really inform me of any particular advantages or disadvantages- but people will have their "opinions" of how they will result in advantages or disadvantages already.



Epoxy7 said:
Greentips,
I always think long and hard before making any purchase.
There are always pros/cons to everything. Why someone makes a purchase always interests me. That being said there are certain things that might sway an opinion. For example it could be the best firearm in the world, but if it's really ugly some people will refuse to buy it. That is personal preference and does play a part in the decision process (although to a lesser extent than other factors).

Cyborshooter. The Les Baer AR-15 ultimate varmint is $2500 before tax in Canada. So it's $500 cheaper than a Swiss Arms PE-90

Les Baer: Restricted. AR, I like the style. Jewell match trigger, stainless bull barell. High quality forged. 1/2 moa or less guarantee. $2500.

PE-90: Non-restricted. Swiss quality, fairly accurate (although not specifically designed for common North American Match ammo). Gas piston system, reduces crud, wear and some recoil. No bull barell. Cost $3000 before taxes

HK SL8-4: Non-restricted. Based on German G36. Gas piston system like the PE-90. Bull barell, trigger less than that of a G36 and said to be pretty decent. Considered to be fairly accurate (not as accurate as the Les Baer however). Cost $2200 before tax.

Lots of choices out there. I wish I could afford to buy one of them all :D
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Actually Greentips,
Use and goals of the shooter are what really helps narrow the choice.

For example if you're only shooting at the range, then accuracy may be the number one consideration. Restricted doesn't mean anything.

Varminting? Then the non restricted would be a factor.

As for the rugedness. Most people buying personal weapons won't be dropping their $2000-$3000 rifle in sand, muck etc. If you do plan on treating your rifle like this then ruggedness etc are a definate factor. Of course the HK modified AR rifles seem to also live up to this ruged reputation (not currently available to civilians). As does the HK Sl8. There are also more mods coming out to convert the AR to a gas piston design.

Lots of things to consider. Still a much better way to decide than simply going with the "such and such is the best" explanations. With no explanation as to why. When you're plunking down three grand, I wouldn't even consider a post like that as having any meaning.

Like I said before if I had the money it would be nice to have one of each.
 
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I just got my Green Classic yesterday. I took it apart, cleaned it and put it back together within an hour of owning it and I really like it. I like that it's made of steel, balances well for me, and seems to exude an aura of quality just sitting still. Today I put 130 rounds through it and understand the billing this rifle has. I don't have optics on it yet but my accuracy with the diopter sights was great. I could go on and on but having owned AR's and an FN in the past my opinion is that the Swiss Arms rifle is definantly best for me.:cool:
 
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