T2 Garand - Part 1

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There is enough damning evidence within this post to initiate a class action lawsuit! The idjit that assembled these rifles needs to be drawn an quartered just for destroying the bolts. Those parts are not in infinite supply as they are no longer manufactured. How they found that many trashed barrels is another question. Instead of burning their customers and causing nothing but hassles, the parts should have been imported to Canada and sold as parts kits. Would have saved the assembly fees, proofing of firearms, bad reputation, destruction of parts etc.
 
Thanks for posting that, good to see gauges used to measure just how bad this is. I am beyond relief and thank full I passed on buying one. Particulary when I first saw the Danish recievers used. I never would have guessed that these were this far away from not only true providence but actual firarms safety. Wow....
 
r_taylor said:
Hi All,
I just spent a few hours going over one of these rifles with a CGN member who is on this thread.
My findings and photos are attached. The owner was with me while I inspected the rifle and can verify my findings if he would like to.

Firstly, these are not Tipo 2 rifles. There is ZERO chance these are actual Tipo 2 rifles.


Suffice it to say, these are parts guns assembled by someone not at all familiar with the M1 rifle.
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So what you are trying to say these rifles are not better than the inferior commercial conversions
 
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Hi All, In order to make this rifle suitable for reliable and safe firing, at a minimum new barrel and bolt would be required. On this rifle, a new gas tube and possibly op rod would be required for reliable functioning.
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But other than that, it was all good!

Seriously though, those pictures were a horror show. Thanks for posting them, they were very informative.
 
Makes me wonder about CIP proofing. Was there no inspection of the rifles? No one noticed the welded over/ground locking lugs?
 
Jeebus....^^^^^ that is unbelievable. That is the kind of work you would see from a hobobilly bubba. Maybe Hauck (looks literally like a 1 man operation) shouldn't have tried to break records building 120 Garands in 26 hours.
http://www.hauck-waffenbau.net/galerie-werkstattarbeiten/
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You can see he has the welder out while assembling these....lol.
 
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tiriaq said:
Makes me wonder about CIP proofing. Was there no inspection of the rifles? No one noticed the welded over/ground locking lugs?
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The rifle I inspected did not have any rounds down the pipe. There was no carbon on the gas tube screw, piston head or in the chamber. Infact they were covered in OEM cosmoline. No brass marks on the feed ramp.

I suspect they tested a few and lasered them all...
 
r_taylor said:
The rifle I enspected did not have any round down the pipe. There was no carbon on the gas tube retainer, piston head or in the chamber. It was a freshly attempt at finish reaming...

I suspect they tested a few and lasered them all...
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Interesting. I really doubt that German/CIP proofing would in any way permit random sampling.
The photos on the Hauck website are worth viewing. Hitzy only posted a couple of the ones showing the Garand work.
 
tiriaq said:
Interesting. I really doubt that German/CIP proofing would in any way permit random sampling.
The photos on the Hauck website are worth viewing. Hitzy only posted a couple of the ones showing the Garand work.
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I would agree. However, are they legit markings or were they added to simply allow for export? Considering these are not Tipo 2 rifles, but parts guns assembled in a small shop by "a guy" (or perhaps a few guys), and given the complete lack of QC, nothing would surprise me.
 
So was cosmoline put on the rifles to make them appear 'vintage'? Dry barrels and thin coat of cosmoline on the outside of a recently 'inspected' rifle seems like an intentional attempt to mislead buyers.

If this, along with the poor workmanship and a product that is not at all what it is described to be, is a recipe for disaster. Especially in this community.

Hopefully we all get some clarification and they don't get returned only to be sold to other unsuspecting buyers.
 
r_taylor said:
Suffice it to say, these are parts guns assembled by someone not at all familiar with the M1 rifle.

In the case of the examined rifle, I WOULD NOT FIRE IT in current condition.

In order to make this rifle suitable for reliable and safe firing, at a minimum new barrel and bolt would be required. On this rifle, a new gas tube and possibly op rod would be required for reliable functioning.
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Thank you for your informative review, and especially posting photographs with the gauges supporting your findings. This is very definitive and if your findings are representative and consistent of the issues present on the other firearms from this batch... all I can say is Wow.

I really hope no one gets injured from these rifles.

Thanks again,

Brookwood
 
tiriaq said:
Makes me wonder about CIP proofing. Was there no inspection of the rifles? No one noticed the welded over/ground locking lugs?
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i was wondering this myself. maybe there was no proofing at all? if that was my name, my proof company that let those go , id be mighty nervious. my money is on that is whatever stamp that the hauck had around was used, or etched. there should be no way these would pass a real proof house into comercial service. very very greasy stuff happend with this deal. im still suprised the add has been left up
 
Klondiker said:
So was cosmoline put on the rifles to make them appear 'vintage'? Dry barrels and thin coat of cosmoline on the outside of a recently 'inspected' rifle seems like an intentional attempt to mislead buyers.

If this, along with the poor workmanship and a product that is not at all what it is described to be, is a recipe for disaster. Especially in this community.

Hopefully we all get some clarification and they don't get returned only to be sold to other unsuspecting buyers.
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In the case of the examined rifle, there was cosmo on NOS parts as one would expect if you were bashing together a bunch of rifles and not cleaning and inspecting the parts as you assembled. In my experience, cosmoline prepped rifles for long-term storage are generally completely covered. Specifically in the case of the M1, they were dunked in a heated grease bath, pretty much getting cosmoline into every nook and cranny. That was the USGI practice anyways.
 
The silence from John says everything. Incredible work by everyone involved.

We need to find all the people who purchased one and send them back to Marstar. If John wants to take the high road in this he'll do this himself and issue out a recall of these rifles. If not, that speaks to his character.
 
Cleaned my Rifle thoroughly, my bolt was also grinded quite a bit. Sigh, I am bummed out to have to send it back. I was looking forward to firing it. I'll call Marstar and see how that goes.
 
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