T2 Garand - Part 1

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So..... Humpgate?

This as epic as the NEA thing yet? I'm too new to have seen that.

Marstar did pay return shipping on both a $200 and a $2000 rifle once. Seems to me it's either a policy or it isn't. Maybe you only get it if you're not a #### ;)
 
So..... Humpgate?

This as epic as the NEA thing yet? I'm too new to have seen that.

Marstar did pay return shipping on both a $200 and a $2000 rifle once. Seems to me it's either a policy or it isn't. Maybe you only get it if you're not a #### ;)

Scamgate.....they don't even have the correct markings to be called humps...this makes Mitchell's Mausers look like a reputable company.
The guy that bought 3 of these rifles in good faith, gave John a call directly for reassurance these were real T2's, and shown more patience then anyone else in this ordeal is still getting hammered on shipping.
What happens if send it back with no CP insurance and something happens? Think Marstar is going to refund his $6000? Insurance is $2/$100 so that guy is looking at $300 just for insurance....
 
I would imagine that his lawyers have muzzled any talk of admitting liability. The cash is probably spent on other great deals to come. (maybe some Longbranch LE's that were found in a mountain cave near Peshawar Pakistan?)
 
I'm surprised that we haven't heard a thing from the site management regarding any form of punishment. There is plenty of information on which to base a decision.
 
A MIG spot weld on any locking surface is very bad mojo and dangerous in my professional opinion.

The real question is who did the welding?
 
A MIG spot weld on any locking surface is very bad mojo and dangerous in my professional opinion.

The real question is who did the welding?

If you believe John, the Italian military 50 years ago....
Going by the pics of the Hauck gunbutcher shop, there are M1's lined up on the bench with the MIG out beside them....
One is a story, one is a picture. I'd say a picture says 1000 words....or $1700 down the drain.
This one is the worst I think, looks like the weld could be picked off with a toothpick....like it didn't take or something.
 
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The German Military Attache
The German Embassy
1 Waverly Street, Ottawa:

Dear Sir:

I am writing to you in order to report a possible weapons crime that may have been committed in Germany. I fear that someone in Germany may have fraudulently applied the mark of the Cologne Proof House.

Recently I bought a rifle that was imported into Canada from Germany. I bought the gun directly from Marstar, the Canadian importer. I read many complaints about these rifles and accordingly, I took my rifle to a professional gunsmith.

The gunsmith explained to me that my rifle was unsafe to shoot. The bolt had been welded and ground and the weapon had unsafe headspace. The gunsmith explained to me that in his professional opinion, the Cologne Proof House would never have approved this weapon in its current condition.

I have attached a photograph of the markings on the rifle and as you can see, it bears German markings and the apparent mark of the Cologne Proof House. I feel that I ought to bring this matter to your attention in the event that the markings of the Cologne Proof House have been forged.

I am willing to turn the weapon in question over to the German government in order to assist in any possible investigation.

Yours very truly,


Etc.
 
A MIG spot weld on any locking surface is very bad mojo and dangerous in my professional opinion.

The real question is who did the welding?

That and some others.
Where did the parts really come from.
Are these the same rifles Hauck assembled.
Did Hauck weld on the rifles.
Who put the cip stamp on the rifles.
How long did Marstar know this fake deal was in the works.
How did john1 ever think this was going to get buy the buyers of the rifles.
And this one we already know- John1 really doesn't care to tell the truth on any questions asked of hin in regards to the T2 fiasco.
 
The German Military Attache
The German Embassy
1 Waverly Street, Ottawa:

Dear Sir:

I am writing to you in order to report a possible weapons crime that may have been committed in Germany. I fear that someone in Germany may have fraudulently applied the mark of the Cologne Proof House.

Recently I bought a rifle that was imported into Canada from Germany. I bought the gun directly from Marstar, the Canadian importer. I read many complaints about these rifles and accordingly, I took my rifle to a professional gunsmith.

The gunsmith explained to me that my rifle was unsafe to shoot. The bolt had been welded and ground and the weapon had unsafe headspace. The gunsmith explained to me that in his professional opinion, the Cologne Proof House would never have approved this weapon in its current condition.

I have attached a photograph of the markings on the rifle and as you can see, it bears German markings and the apparent mark of the Cologne Proof House. I feel that I ought to bring this matter to your attention in the event that the markings of the Cologne Proof House have been forged.

I am willing to turn the weapon in question over to the German government in order to assist in any possible investigation.

Yours very truly,


Etc.

That will get the ball rolling. By the time the German folks finish looking into this, even john1 will be under scrutiny and it won't only be by CGN community. I would think all facets of marstar will get a close look.
 
The German Military Attache
The German Embassy
1 Waverly Street, Ottawa:

Dear Sir:

I am writing to you in order to report a possible weapons crime that may have been committed in Germany. I fear that someone in Germany may have fraudulently applied the mark of the Cologne Proof House.

Recently I bought a rifle that was imported into Canada from Germany. I bought the gun directly from Marstar, the Canadian importer. I read many complaints about these rifles and accordingly, I took my rifle to a professional gunsmith.

The gunsmith explained to me that my rifle was unsafe to shoot. The bolt had been welded and ground and the weapon had unsafe headspace. The gunsmith explained to me that in his professional opinion, the Cologne Proof House would never have approved this weapon in its current condition.

I have attached a photograph of the markings on the rifle and as you can see, it bears German markings and the apparent mark of the Cologne Proof House. I feel that I ought to bring this matter to your attention in the event that the markings of the Cologne Proof House have been forged.

I am willing to turn the weapon in question over to the German government in order to assist in any possible investigation.

Yours very truly,


Etc.

Lol....INTERPOL visit to Marstar should make the papers
 
at this point, sensable recal is long to late. no action speakes loudly on his part as we all know he loves to flame people for much much smaller things if interpol gets involved, they wont mess around
 
john1 was on many times and read what was being posted. He knew a recall was asked for, and just ignored it. When Interpol and who ever else winds up investigating finishes up there will be very little they won't know about the workings of Marstar and john1.
I do not understand how he thought ignoring the questions asked and the facts, that this was ever going to go away.
 
Why is it coming to this? Where is the sensible recall action from the vendor?!?!

But Claven, they have already made it clear these rifles are as advertised "Genuine Super Rare Terni Military T2" made rifles and are perfectly safe as they passed a "German Proof" test, so the welding/grinding not being safe is just a bunch of hogwash....
John has done nothing wrong, it's just "whiny customers that don't know anything, he's been in the business 30 years, nobody knows more then him about the history of military rifles, blah blah Ironclad Guarantee now without return shipping"
The SVT sniper thread is worth a read, that was the last surplus batch I recall them bringing in. Similar situation, guys asked for clarification if they were notched or just railed because the pics they had up were just railed...like every other SVT ever made. Well he says some are, some aren't, but they are all snipers...and priced as such.
 
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After reading through this thread I am surprised to see what I am reading. There must me more going on here then what we are seeing. The rifles are obviously of questionable quality from the pictures that are posted. Marstar is a reputable business, I cant see them knowingly wanting to screw us gun owners and put our safety at risk, that's just not good for business. The fact that Marstar is not addressing the problem yet is making a lot of people pretty sour but maybe we should wait a bit and just see what they actually do to rectify this issue. Maybe they went over and checked a dozen rifles initially and they were good so put them all for sale. Now that all these issues have surfaced they are probably trying to get to the root of the problem and that can take some time if he is dealing with people overseas and if he has legal advisors involved. Marstar has given us opportunities to purchase some really nice firearms over the years so I think its too early to kick them to the curb just yet. I know you guys are pissed about having a $1700 wall hanger but lets just give them some time to make things right. I cant see them just ignoring all this for the sake of making a profit. JMO
 
After reading through this thread I am surprised to see what I am reading. There must me more going on here then what we are seeing. The rifles are obviously of questionable quality from the pictures that are posted. Marstar is a reputable business, I cant see them knowingly wanting to screw us gun owners and put our safety at risk, that's just not good for business. The fact that Marstar is not addressing the problem yet is making a lot of people pretty sour but maybe we should wait a bit and just see what they actually do to rectify this issue. Maybe they went over and checked a dozen rifles initially and they were good so put them all for sale. Now that all these issues have surfaced they are probably trying to get to the root of the problem and that can take some time if he is dealing with people overseas and if he has legal advisors involved. Marstar has given us opportunities to purchase some really nice firearms over the years so I think its too early to kick them to the curb just yet. I know you guys are pissed about having a $1700 wall hanger but lets just give them some time to make things right. I cant see them just ignoring all this for the sake of making a profit. JMO

Why did Marstar misrepresent the description of the rifles? They were not Italian T2 Garands and they were not built in Italy and they were not stored in Italy for 50 years.

And if that's not enough, Marstar's website is unchanged and the lies continue
 
After reading through this thread I am surprised to see what I am reading. There must me more going on here then what we are seeing. The rifles are obviously of questionable quality from the pictures that are posted. Marstar is a reputable business, I cant see them knowingly wanting to screw us gun owners and put our safety at risk, that's just not good for business. The fact that Marstar is not addressing the problem yet is making a lot of people pretty sour but maybe we should wait a bit and just see what they actually do to rectify this issue. Maybe they went over and checked a dozen rifles initially and they were good so put them all for sale. Now that all these issues have surfaced they are probably trying to get to the root of the problem and that can take some time if he is dealing with people overseas and if he has legal advisors involved. Marstar has given us opportunities to purchase some really nice firearms over the years so I think its too early to kick them to the curb just yet. I know you guys are pissed about having a $1700 wall hanger but lets just give them some time to make things right. I cant see them just ignoring all this for the sake of making a profit. JMO

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