T97 barrel issue AND NRR WISHLIST!!!

Probably we will not see new T97-NRR for sale till majority of the current shipment of North Silva T97NSR will be sold ...
Some times free market might find a way how to make your Competitor to be your Partner ... That is why we cannot see even a picture and hear any details about those "IMPROVED" T97 that we waiting to be unveiled by Canada Ammo...
 
I don't get it the T97 is supposed to be a civilian version of a proven rifle used by the Chinese Army. Such defects shouldn't be coming up unless the importer asked the manufacturer for a reduced spec. product. Therefore an inferior product to make a few extra bucks.

I hope the CanAm batch will be a better batch or they wont sell and the T97 rifle will get a reputation that it cant shed

I don't think so, I think you're mistaking Chinese manufacturing practices for something else.
 
Probably we will not see new T97-NRR for sale till majority of the current shipment of North Silva T97NSR will be sold ...
Some times free market might find a way how to make your Competitor to be your Partner ... That is why we cannot see even a picture and hear any details about those "IMPROVED" T97 that we waiting to be unveiled by Canada Ammo...

Nope .
T97NRR will be here Fall 2013. :dancingbanana:
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I don't get it the T97 is supposed to be a civilian version of a proven rifle used by the Chinese Army. Such defects shouldn't be coming up unless the importer asked the manufacturer for a reduced spec. product. Therefore an inferior product to make a few extra bucks.

I hope the CanAm batch will be a better batch or they wont sell and the T97 rifle will get a reputation that it cant shed

Starting to look like it?
 
I don't get it the T97 is supposed to be a civilian version of a proven rifle used by the Chinese Army. Such defects shouldn't be coming up unless the importer asked the manufacturer for a reduced spec. product. Therefore an inferior product to make a few extra bucks.

I hope the CanAm batch will be a better batch or they wont sell and the T97 rifle will get a reputation that it cant shed

Ya, the T97 has been around for quite a few yrs, but I don't think EMEI ever made them before. Not certain though...
 
I'm the one from the 1911 post that got a T97NSR with a defective finish. I only sprayed remington action cleaner on it, no rubbing of anything, and in seconds it turned the black paint into a dry white finish, and when I rinsed it with water, and the paint peeled of the gun instantly. I don't know if I just got a defective one or they just use cheap paint for all of them, but it's sure going back for a full refund, and I'll wait and see how the T97NRR turns out, but I have to say I'm not impressed at this moment

I hope Canadaammo will see this and have a little chat with norinco about it, and to the person responsible for the NRR at Canam, if you need more pictures to send to the factory, just send me a PM with your email address and I'll send the pictures to you!

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This 3rd picture looks like the slide of my second Norinco 1911 .45 as I received it from Canam. The first 1911 that I got looked decent. I didn't complain about it because it's a beater not a showcase pistol and the deal was good. I'll end up stripping it down and duracoat/ceracoat it I guess.
 
I'm the one from the 1911 post that got a T97NSR with a defective finish. I only sprayed remington action cleaner on it, no rubbing of anything, and in seconds it turned the black paint into a dry white finish, and when I rinsed it with water, and the paint peeled of the gun instantly. I don't know if I just got a defective one or they just use cheap paint for all of them, but it's sure going back for a full refund, and I'll wait and see how the T97NRR turns out, but I have to say I'm not impressed at this moment

I hope Canadaammo will see this and have a little chat with norinco about it, and to the person responsible for the NRR at Canam, if you need more pictures to send to the factory, just send me a PM with your email address and I'll send the pictures to you!

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I also had some feeding issues:

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Try oiling it after.

Did the finish actually flake off or just disappeared?
 
Yes, stuff that is made for cleaning firearms! I did not use paint stripper or acetone!!! what do you use to clean yours, dish soap and a soft towel??!!

I also called remington about it, and they said that this product is mild on finish, and that in no way it could have caused a normal finish to peel like that,
and that it can only be attributed to a defective or poor finish.

It's not the first time I use this on my firearms, and I've used way worst and more harsh products before, and that never happened to any of my other firearms, so I blame the finish, and not me!

Rem Action Cleaner is a heavy duty degreaser and will absolutely remove oil based paints....it's basically break cleaner and should never be used on painted finishes.
Most of the rifle is parkerised, and the scratchy looking finish is normal, its just completly void of oil and that's what it will look like. I don't actually see any painted surfaces that are damaged in your pics, just dried out parkerising, and I beleive the receivers are annodize, I don't think there is any paint on these rifles.
If you don't oil the rifle well after using Rem Action cleaner, the next step is major rusting......I can't really fault the gun here.
 
Rem Action Cleaner is a heavy duty degreaser and will absolutely remove oil based paints....it's basically break cleaner and should never be used on painted finishes.
Most of the rifle is parkerised, and the scratchy looking finish is normal, its just completly void of oil and that's what it will look like. I don't actually see any painted surfaces that are damaged in your pics, just dried out parkerising, and I beleive the receivers are annodize, I don't think there is any paint on these rifles.
If you don't oil the rifle well after using Rem Action cleaner, the next step is major rusting......I can't really fault the gun here.

You may be right about the parkerizing, but even after oiling it, it's still looking the same. If you look closely at the last pics, you can see near the two holes on the receiver, a difference in color. This is one of the places where the paint peeled.
 
I honesty thought we had Norinco done with the paint crap for a finish. They use to do that on aluminum on the older CQ's but the last couple batches were annodized. Maybe add that to the wish list.....park and annodizing, no paint!
 
once again .. we definitely going to see some changes ,hopefully to the best , from pending unveil by C.A. and only the reason why CA hide it - to let current model be sold at least for 75 % of the stock . how long it will take ? Chris expectation was fall , but sales now slow down , so might be spring ..
 
Can we get a logical safety position? I mean seriously, it's just awkward as it is.

I think the placement of the controls actually makes sense with basic military doctrine kept in mind. Even though the STANAG magazine well/mag release was an afterthought - if you try to apply Canadian military tests of elementary training (TOET's) and Canadian military immediate actions and stoppage drills - it's not unreasonable having the controls where they are even though it's a completely different rifle.

It's a bit fuzzy, but when I was in, Canadian soldiers were taught upon a stoppage to immediately cant the weapon to the left and inspect the ejection port. If the bolt is fully to the rear (mag empty) conduct a magazine change. If the bolt was partially to the rear (failure to extract, failure to feed/double feed), to attempt to clear it (attempt to engage the slide stop, remove the magazine, cycle the action, load the magazine, cycle the action, shoot). If the bolt was fully forward (failure to feed, misfire), to cycle the action and attempt to fire again.

I don't recall the training for rundowns (I only ever did 2), but I believe the key component was to engage the safety before advancing (maybe an infantryman can correct me). While this is awkward with the T97, there was a video in the black rifle forum showing the Chinese Army shooting team doing run downs and chambering a round AFTER they had run down and were at their firing position - even though it appeared they were shooting the newer QBZ-95-1 with the improved fire selector switch above the pistol grip.

It's different - but realistically, nothing is safer than running with a loaded mag in the magwell with no round in the chamber. That does add the complication that an infantryman would have to do a full unload/reload (minus chambering a round) if advancing from one position to the other (or engage the safety which, with the older model QBZ's is as awkard as it is with our T97's). I do think the older QBZ-95's fire selector was inverted from the one's North Sylvia delivered - maybe that's the mod that had to be made to get these things approved as non-restricted. (I don't know). Either way, while not optimal, I don't think the positioning of the safety is as big of a deal as everyone is making it out to be.

Furthermore, to the magazine release, if you adopt the doctrine to always inspect the chamber through the ejection port by canting the rifle to the left, the positioning of the right sided magazine release button actually isn't too awkward to reload from. Try it if you have one - shoulder the rifle with an empty mag, cycle and lock the action to the rear, cant the rifle to the left and look down the ejection port. Try doing a reload from that position using your STRONG (or weak hand) - it's not nearly as awkward as trying to do a reload with the rifle shouldered in a ready position, fumbling around to try to press the mag release, and from there, trying to do a reload with your weak hand. Both are doable, but it feels more natural to do the cant the rifle, strong hand reload.

Furthermore, without inspecting the chamber, there's no way to immediately identify what issue may have caused the stoppage - and if you go through the sequence of "firing, firing, firing, firing STOPS!" the time involved to attempt a magazine change without inspecting the chamber, realize the issue is a misfeed, remove the magazine, clear the misfeed, and reload the magazine is much more than upon stoppage, cant to the left, inspect the chamber, observe a misfeed, attempt to rack the action to attempt to clear the stoppage (as opposed to lock the action back - as this is not possible on a T97 with a loaded mag), if the stoppage doesn't clear, remove the magazine, cycle the action to clear, replace the magazine, cycle shoot.

I know this is also quite a bit different than the US army IA drill with the M16/M4 - which is some variant of Tap/Rack/Bang/Oh noes my rifle doesn't work, call a tech! (just kidding - it's here: http://www.armystudyguide.com/content/army_board_study_guide_topics/m16a2/m16a2-study-guide.shtml) - but honestly, I do think Canadian soldiers are held to a higher standard than American's (and I'm sure most Canadians will corroborate that claim).
 
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