Tavor TR21 Slam Fire

The firing pin is probably too heavy for non-military primer - this is a recurring problem for military rifle adapted to civilian configuration. FN2000 had the same initial issue until they were retrofit with a spring.

They need to reduce the mass of the firing pin ( but this is a risky route because there is no long term testing for the durability of the firing pin), or they have to put a spring in the firing pin chanal.

However, since mil-spec 5.56 ammo is ini short supply, it is impractical or if not impossible to feed only military ammo.
 
Armedsask said:
So we trade slam fires for shattered firing pins?
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No, but a high chance of it deforming.

Alright not the best idea. But a reduced mass firing pin means a thinner one which will also run a higher chance of faillure. The only real solution is a spring to hold the firing pin back.
 
The fireing pin bother me right from the start. I didn't like how it stuck out when the the bolt was all the way back in the locked position.

We fired about 100 rounds of 65 grain Eagle and had not a single problem.
 
We are discussing this with IWI. As stated above, I believe this to be the age old issue of soft primered commercial ammo vs. mil-spec, for which the Tavor was designed. Hopefully IWI will come up with a solution and we can move on. It may be as simple as adding a spring over the firing pin.

Most important is that you always keep the gun pointed in a safe direction.
 
I've put over 100rnds Winchester through - 100% so far, no problems - and yes, I would consider slam-fire a problem. :rolleyes:
 
I hope that this doesn't make me look like an moron. If the rifle is slam firing or when releasing the bolt, that means that the firing pin is protruding forward off the bolt, right?

In that case why isn't the firing pin spring strong enough to keep the pin back wards? Could there be fouling or dirt that's keeping it protruding forward?

Please correct me if I'm wrong
 
Why didn't this show up on the demo Tavor that made the rounds across Canada, it fired thousands of rounds of all types, I don't recall anyone experiencing/commenting on it??? strange.:confused::confused::confused::runaway:
 
Sad as this sounds, this is why one should wait a year or two before buying into a new rifle system. Sure its a good gun but there are bound to be issues needing resolution. Limited access to necessary ammo is a big issue.
 
I'm yet another guy with no problems at all to report. The ammo I've used has all been commercial Remington UMC and American Eagle, both 55 grain. I'll try some Winchester and report back.

Could it be something other than ammo? Any opinions on the firing pin installation theory?

It will be interesting to see what the issue turns out to be. In any event I have no doubt that CanAm is doing his utmost to sort this out, including the possibility of bringing in milspec ammo.
 
The firing pin will only go in one way...
It would seem that a spring would/will be required to ensure that this doesn't happen EVER......
And yes...I do have a Tavor....couple of hundred rounds through without any problems yet....doesn't give me a ton of confidence......
PS...if I have to use milspec..read 5.56 rounds for this not to happen, I will, respectfully, be wanting to return said rifle for a refund.
 
foxbat said:
The firing pin will only go in one way...
It would seem that a spring would/will be required to ensure that this doesn't happen EVER......
And yes...I do have a Tavor....couple of hundred rounds through without any problems yet....doesn't give me a ton of confidence......
PS...if I have to use milspec..read 5.56 rounds for this not to happen, I will, respectfully, be wanting to return said rifle for a refund.
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Well you have to realize that it's a mil-spec gun that you bought. It was designed to function with mil-spec 5.56. You are paying big money for a world class mil-spec rifle and you got exactly what you paid for. I'm sure your rifle will work just fine and I also have confidence Can Am will figure out a solution, if one is even needed, a firing pin return spring is probably all that's required...it's not the end of the world.

I still suspect it may have to do with the way the firing pin is installed or the way it was lubed.
 
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Clobbersauras said:
So that makes two guys with slam fires?

I've read that military primers are harder than comercial stuff...don't know if this is a load on BS or not...but perhaps the design was for the harder primers?

Is there any grease in the firing pin channel when it comes from the factory?
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Since the last doubles, I have fired another 200 rounds through - no double fire. The only thing that I did was clean the rifle with Wipe Out and lube with Gun Juice.
 
suprathepeg said:
Sad as this sounds, this is why one should wait a year or two before buying into a new rifle system. Sure its a good gun but there are bound to be issues needing resolution. Limited access to necessary ammo is a big issue.
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I was under the assumption.....

The design has been around for 7-8 years now...since 2001.

It is only now being released to civilian sector recently?

The only major difference in military models and civvy models is lack of full-auto?

So if the Israeli's have been using it all this time, as well as other nation's military I am pretty sure the issues ,as you put them, have been ironed out.
 
I will happily take anyone's slam firing or doubling Tavor off of them for $100.
 
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