the 270 win is ideal for hunting FOR ME, but I'm scared of coming across a Grizzly..

Actually soft .360" buckshot is pretty damn useless on a full size grizz. Its hope and a prayer shot and you will never find any game agency packing it in their shot guns. Solid heavy slugs.

Don't believe me? Shoot a phone book; a good size one like Calgary or Vancouver. The Win and Rem 00 didn't make it 4" at 20 yds. Little pancakes. No good for bears. 000 would suck worse.
 
rem338win said:
Actually soft .360" buckshot is pretty damn useless on a full size grizz. Its hope and a prayer shot and you will never find any game agency packing it in their shot guns. Solid heavy slugs.

Don't believe me? Shoot a phone book; a good size one like Calgary or Vancouver. The Win and Rem 00 didn't make it 4" at 20 yds. Little pancakes. No good for bears. 000 would suck worse.
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Exactly!
 
arcticcathonda said:
Sit back and think about what we are doing for a second...

We are quietly sneaking through the woods (maybe accidentally startling a bear), perhaps imitating prey animals(perhaps luring bears inadvertently). We may kill an elk, butcher and drag carcass through the woods. Going back for each success quarter etc. What you have created or set up is potentially better odds of running into a Griz.
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Exactly - this is different from the "only" time I encountered a Griz. When I encountered a griz, I was making noise and was in space where humans regularly go - in my case a parking lot. When hunting, I'm being quiet, going where humans don't regularly go, and likely making noise like grizzly food and possibly also smelling like grizzly food too.
 
This bear was shot once with a .270, 140g TBBC in a self defense situation in the dark. Found stone dead a few yards away from where it was shot the next morning.

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9.3mauser said:
Not worth it IMO. Get a low-power variable, 1.5-5 or 1.5-6x and leave it on low power. You might also want to practice on moving targets.
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X100. This is post #25 and #1 that makes any sense.
I am amazed that some hunters hunt with 4-12 and higher power scopes.
Even at 4x with FOV of 4' at 20yrds, finding running predator in the scope is next to imposible.
 
rem338win said:
Actually soft .360" buckshot is pretty damn useless on a full size grizz. Its hope and a prayer shot and you will never find any game agency packing it in their shot guns. Solid heavy slugs.

Don't believe me? Shoot a phone book; a good size one like Calgary or Vancouver. The Win and Rem 00 didn't make it 4" at 20 yds. Little pancakes. No good for bears. 000 would suck worse.
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try with Brenneke slug and no more worries on the penetration side.
 
bearkilr said:
It's equally useless on small black bears, ask me how I know. It's a small step up from a slingshot.
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I shot a big black bear once that upon skinning him, we pulled 7 pieces of buckshot out of the skin on the head...one had slightly dented the bone. Not sure when he was shot but obviously it was at fairly close range and very ineffective.

To the OP.....shooting straight is far more critical than shooting big. Not sure I'd go hunting grizz with a 270 but for an "in case" situation.....no problem. The chance of a bad grizz encounter is slim...The chance the
that a 30-06 will save your life more than a 270 in that situation...slimmer.
 
I think people who are trying to bring the Op's attention to the type of ammo used, have a point. From my readings and limited experience, modern bullets like TSX/TTSX and Partition ...have changed the old equation of larger diameter+speed = more lethal power. Technology matters. A 270 or 30-06 bullet that reliably opens up to its promised size and retains 90% of its weight, punches a lot heavier than its name may suggest.

Unfortunately, I have no idea how these three bullets behave at very short range (20-30 Yards). I guess I will find out this coming deer session.
 
Speed is the mono metal's friend. Expansion is rapid and explosive at close range....not so much at long range.
 
When you say "explosive" do you mean these mono metal bullets have a chance of disintegrating up on impact at closer ranges? meaning not penetrating properly? That is my concern.
 
Some like the TTSX are prone to shedding petals but no, by explosive I mean they expand very rapidly to an impressive diameter with impressive weight retention. Some people seem to believe that the mono metals don't expand well at close range but it is quite the opposite.
 
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Two Barnes TSX, one on left:
-recovered from an elk bull between hide and ribs on exit side,broadside shot, 257 Weatherby Mag, 100 gr. TSX, max load RL22, muzzle velocity around 3550 fps, distance 80 yards

Bullet on right:
-recovered from bull moose between hide and ribs on exit side, broadside shot, 338 WinMag,225 gr. TSX, max load RL19, muzzle velocity around 2850, distance 440 yards

Two extremes, both performed well. There are no flies on the TSX, it's a great all around performer at practical hunting distances.
 
medvedqc said:
try with Brenneke slug and no more worries on the penetration side.
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Please, give us all of your first hand experiences shooting and or killing animals with Brenneke slugs. Especially the ones where you have used them on big bears... Breaking bone, penetration etc. etc...
 
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I've shot a couple close range black bears with the Brenneke and the results were instantly dead bears with pass throughs. I'd trust them in a self defence situation for sure. That's a big chunk of lead!
 
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