the 270 win is ideal for hunting FOR ME, but I'm scared of coming across a Grizzly..

9.3mauser said:
It isn't about being afraid, irrationally or otherwise, it's about recognizing the possibilities and being prepared. I've never HAD to get a fire going to save my life, but I still carry matches in my pocket. Just because I've never been hypothermic doesn't mean I won't ever be.

I haven't been afraid of bears since I was 12, but I'm not in denial about the potential dangers.
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You still don't understand the difference between REAL and POTENTIAL. The potential danger of the sun exploding is kind of huge. The real danger is not worth worrying about.

REAL is the word I keep using. The fact that something has a large potential danger does NOT make being constantly prepared for it rational. Only preparations for REAL dangers is rational. Recognizing the difference between real and potential risk is not denial of the potential; it is just being rational. If you look into the Survival and Disaster Prep forum you will see all sorts of examples of preparation for potential disasters that just aren't realistically likely.
 
9.3mauser said:
The odds of winning the LottoMax are 1 in 28,000,000, but still, somebody manages to beat those odds quite regularly. Just because the odds are low doesn't mean it won't happen.
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More people play the lotto than go playing in bear territory.

Playing the lotto is more dangerous, walking to get the ticket, the store getting held up, paper cuts, they are are relevant. ;)
 
rral22 said:
The potential danger of the sun exploding is kind of huge. The real danger is not worth worrying about.
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Great analogy, I'll now leave my "anti-sun explosion ray gun" at home when I venture outside since it's only potentially that I may have to use it, not realistically.

Maybe I should I pack it while in bear country though? You have me all confused now........... :confused: :D
 
If I recall correctly Hosea Sarber used multiple cartridges from 270-375 h&h for grizzly, his favorite 30-06 load used the Western Tool & Copper 172-grain bullet and in the .270 the 160 Barnes bullet. http://www.tyner.org/html/newitems/bigfoot.html

Oconnor also stated he had killed 8 grizzlies with the 30-06 and hadnt got ate up yet so it must be effective and went on to give an example where he placed 4 shots with the core loct bullets behind the shoulder of a big rangy grizzly that went 7' from nose to tail and all of them cracked on the rocks on the other side of the animal then went on to claim a bullet giving more penetration wasnt required.

I personally would load some tsx's in your .270 and go hunting, keep your head up and stick on the ice. Its about all you can do. Its highly unlikely that the difference between the two cartridges is going to amount to a hill of beans and the 10/90 rule will carry far more weight
( life is 10% about what happens to you and 90% about how you react to it)
 
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9.3mauser said:
So you don't wear a seat belt because there is no REAL danger of crashing at any given moment?
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For some people...going to the woods armed to the teeth for bears gives them a sense of security and no matter how false it is, if it makes their experience more enjoyable, I say go for it. For others, just being bear aware is enough....kind of one of those different strokes things but as long as everyone is enjoying the outdoors safely....no reason to criticize. But at the end of the day, the facts surrounding bear attacks are the facts and bear spray is still your best first line of defence. If you really are interested in mitigating the danger that is.
 
Ya know, ya gotta love a topic that generates 1,700 views and nearly 100 replies........An earlier post mentioned O'Connor and one of his myriad of observations and statements he put into print.....Going strictly by my failing memory, O'Connor disputed the fact that Sarber was killed by a grizzly or a big brown because he used an insufficient cartridge.....For the record, Sarber carried a 30-06 loaded with a 172 grain bullet of some long forgotten manufacturer.....O'Connor knew it was Sarber's favourite grizzly load.......O'Connor also believed (rightfully or wrongfully) that Sarber was killed by salmon poachers, rather than a bear......O'Connor and his guide Roy Hargeaves were nearly killed by grizzly that O'Connor finally dispatched with a 30-06......After that incident, when Jack went up to Kodiak to hunt the big browns with famous bear guide Ralph Young, he carried his beat up old 375 H&H......

For dangerous game that can stomp on you and chew you up, I like the sentiments of the late Bob Hagel and John Wootters: Never carry less gun than enough to stop a charge if necessary......Hagel loved his 340 Weatherby with 250 grain Noslers.......and Wootters went to Africa with his 416 Taylor.......Both had decades of experience, and their advice should be considered words of wisdom...
 
rojogrande said:
For dangerous game that can stomp on you and chew you up, I like the sentiments of the late Bob Hagel and John Wootters: Never carry less gun than enough to stop a charge if necessary......Hagel loved his 340 Weatherby with 250 grain Noslers.......and Wootters went to Africa with his 416 Taylor.......Both had decades of experience, and their advice should be considered words of wisdom...
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So, what is necessary in North America???
 
I am no expert on this subject by any means as I have only hunted grizz country twice, both with an armed guide but a few things I would consider would be:

1) If you go into the woods thinking you may have to kill a bear and consider this a big possibility you should carry the gun you would use if you were hunting that species...

2) The idea of carrying a second rifle sounds impractical... If you get charged the logistics of dropping one rifle, unslinging and shouldering another and getting off an accurate shot (if any) sounds improbable...

If it were me I'd carry the 270, a can of bear spray and a good knife...
 
.270's kill bears just fine. Just shoot them in something that they need to keep being bears. Knowing your rifle and using a decent bullet is better than buying a larger gun and not knowing it as well. Shoot a lot of rounds a year, not the 2-5 that lots of hunters do. Know your rifle and be comfortable with it so that when you need it, it is just automatic to do what you need to do.
 
although my uncle has been dumping moose with his 270 for 25 years and I have a beautiful .270 in a pre 64 mod 70 Winchester ... im not real fond of the cartridge at all
 
Geez, I saw my first grizzly just a couple of days ago. 150 yards with my rangefinder and looking large in my 6x scope on my dirty thirty. Buddy was so concerned that he would not let anyone venture out of camp without a "backup" hunter with him. I walked miles into that bush looking for signs of life, but all I ever found was grizzly poop.

I figured that grizzly must've eaten everything in sight, so I would not look too tasty to him, lol!

Fact is, I was a little nervous scouting the deep bush by myself, but really, a high-level predator like the grizzly, if its intent on eating you, is not going to advertise its presence before it jumps you. And when it jumps you, I don't think a 338 Lapua Magnum is going to stop it...mainly because your finger would not have time to pull the trigger. Well, maybe reflexively, as your life ebbs away...

Be safe in the bush, but be aware that situational awareness and alertness will be your best chance of survival.
 
superlative said:
A lot of people keep recommending the Brenneke slug in this and other threads, but I cannot find one source to buy these magical unicorn dust ammunition. Where do people get these things?
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I got my Brennekes from Accuracy Plus in Peterborough Ont. An alternate solution might be to give the Brenneke style slugs made by Prairie Shot in Carberry MB a try. I haven't tried them myself as yet, but the fact that this is a Canadian manufacturer is a nice touch.

http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/762588-New-Canadian-Shotshell-Manufacturer
 
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