The 450 Ruger Improved Lives.............

conor_90 said:
375 WSM would be cool. 375 Wapiti; a play on the 35 Sambar. Might be easy to make an expander/sizer die for it too.

If it does not meet the velocity of a 375 h&h you may have to sell it...
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Google 375-wsm and you wil get lots of hits. The WSM has been around for 15 years and has been necked up down and sideways. :)

I was actually hoping Winchester would introduce a 375 WSM. It might be fun to have a .223wssm, 300wsm and 375 WSM. The 375 would probably have been a commercial disaster though. :)
 
I never understood why they made a 7, and 270 and a 30 and 325 cal option. All with similar weight factory loads and didn't make a 6mm.
 
Gatehouse said:
Google 375-wsm and you wil get lots of hits. The WSM has been around for 15 years and has been necked up down and sideways. :)

I was actually hoping Winchester would introduce a 375 WSM. It might be fun to have a .223wssm, 300wsm and 375 WSM. The 375 would probably have been a commercial disaster though. :)
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What are velocity numbers like in the 375 wsm? Do they compare favorably with a 375 built on a 300wm or 338wm case? I read that they couldn't get the 338wsm to equal 338wm velocities, so they stopped going bigger.(as someone else mentioned earlier this thread)
 
Gatehouse said:
Google 375-wsm and you wil get lots of hits. The WSM has been around for 15 years and has been necked up down and sideways. :)

I was actually hoping Winchester would introduce a 375 WSM. It might be fun to have a .223wssm, 300wsm and 375 WSM. The 375 would probably have been a commercial disaster though. :)
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Well of course it would be a disaster. I have heard somewhere about the 375 Ruger and how great it is. With that on the table, everything else in .375 can only pale by comparison.
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Okay let's not turn this into another love/hate 375 Ruger thread...........

I built a 375-350 RM years ago on a short Ruger action (220 Swift) with an 18" barrel. That rifle would do 2650 fps with 270 gn Win PPs IIRC, it may have been a touch more, approaching 2700. Without any signs of pressure what so ever, it exceeded all my expectations by a couple hundred fps. I built it to use the, then new, 260 gn Nosler Part in but ran out of bullets before I got anywhere near a max load, so I carried on with the 270 PPs and ended up at very close to original factory 375 H&H ballistics. Of course the little case is so efficient that a longer barrel would not likely have made any difference. Given the WSMs case capacity I think it would be a real, short action thumper, very well suited to the 260 ABs or Parts.
 
Kevan said:
At least that is the BS we are led to believe.
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;) Point taken, :) but on the topic of a 375, what loads have you tried and what velocities are you getting with your 375-06? Curious as I have a 375 H&H and a 375 Chatfield Taylor in that same calibre family.

Sorry, :redface: didn't mean to hijack your thread Douglas.
 
I am intrigued by this project for sure...... as stated earlier (if only because I don't have the skills to do it)........

My observation on the cartridge world (novice as it is), is as follows.....

Take an existing cartridge, neck it down and make it move faster = awesome

Take an existing cartridge, neck it down and make it move faster, then call it a short magnum, and pretend it will do what an identical caliber cartridge will do while offering it in a short action = disaster and a soon antiquated cartridge.....

Jmop, but it really boils down to simplicity......... and measurable improvements...... how much pain for how much gain so to speak....

Now, if you have the money and you have the time, and you have the equipment, fill your boots and indamn well want to hear about it.......

I still consider your .23 cal rifle build likely the coolest thread I have seen on here Douglas......
 
Suther said:
What are velocity numbers like in the 375 wsm? Do they compare favorably with a 375 built on a 300wm or 338wm case? I read that they couldn't get the 338wsm to equal 338wm velocities, so they stopped going bigger.(as someone else mentioned earlier this thread)
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I think guys were getting about 2500fps with a 300gr bullet. Pretty close to H&H velocities, but I'm sure you can google more info- I never had one built, as the 375 Ruger came out and it is the best .375 cartridge ever introduced, so why bother with anything else? :)

Although if someone had a standard action/boltface rifle, the 375-06/Scovill etc would be great choices, too.
 
Yep, Winchester missed the boat on not making the M70 in .375 WSM. The cartridge has all the poop needed for gettin' the job done on most big game at sensible ranges. The .325 WSM was a goof in my book.;)
 
One of my favourite quotes from John Barsness.

"However, that doesn't mean I'm going to give up my other short-action rifles. I like short-action cartridges for many uses, especially in calibers from 6mm to .30. But I'm done with trying to cram the ballistic performance of longer cartridges into a shorter action. Despite the proclamations of advertising geniuses, and shooters who've fallen for their hype, I haven't found any practical advantage in such cramming, whether in weight, bolt throw or accuracy. Maybe you have, and if so congratulations! That's one definition of being successful rifle loony."
 
SHELL SHUCKER said:
Yep, Winchester missed the boat on not making the M70 in .375 WSM. The cartridge has all the poop needed for gettin' the job done on most big game at sensible ranges. The .325 WSM was a goof in my book.;)
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I don't think a 375 WSM would have sold very well. It might have impressed elk and moose hunters looking for a lighter rifle capable of laying a big beat down, but it would have been a tough sell to guys headed to Africa. For years guys have been told that you needed a 375 H&H minimum and better a 416 Rigby, 458 or a Nitro Express. All with cavernous cases and powder capacities rivalling coffee cups. To try to sell a short action aimed at that crowd would be like trying to convince people that the you could fit just as much stuff in a station wagon as an SUV. It may be true but even with articles in magazines and reports showing the similarity you'd be hard pressed to get over the hump.
 
SHELL SHUCKER said:
Yep, Winchester missed the boat on not making the M70 in .375 WSM. The cartridge has all the poop needed for gettin' the job done on most big game at sensible ranges. The .325 WSM was a goof in my book.;)
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My opinion on the 375 wsm is that you'd be getting almost max velocity with a 20" barrel and a short action. That would make for one short fast pointing bush gun. That may be an advantage over the H&H with a mag action and 26" barrel. But on flat, clear land, It's hands down to the H&H, ruger, cheytac, etc...
 
amosfella said:
My opinion on the 375 wsm is that you'd be getting almost max velocity with a 20" barrel and a short action. That would make for one short fast pointing bush gun. That may be an advantage over the H&H with a mag action and 26" barrel. But on flat, clear land, It's hands down to the H&H, ruger, cheytac, etc...
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Not a worry for us folk that close stalk & or bait game in tight.;)
 
Well Cam, I bought a donor rifle a couple years ago and then ordered and paid for the reamer and found 500 or so usable cases for it............so the only thing lacking was the initiative to "get 'er done". It would seem I've been a couple years finding that, however now it's a reality and with a little tweaking it should be a viable and useful rifle and cartridge combo. I am finding "initiative" a lot more difficult to muster up as I finish out my 61st year on this planet.......I no longer go back to the shop after dinner and whip out a couple more rifles like I used to.
 
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