The Army's Inglis High Powers
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Cameron SS
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Did you hear the one about MP at KAF who was doing a side by side comparison of the BHP and the 225 only to cut loose an office pop on the 225, only to learn that the ballistic containment properties of his lap top screen were somewhat lacking?
Never heard of that one but I believe it. While in transit back from HLTA in 2008, a medic put a bullet thru her floor, down into my buddy's barrack box, 2 doors down the hall and she claimed that the "loud bang" was from her dropping her own barrack box... She couldnt explain the empty casing and the hole in her floor though...
We had 2 NDs in the vault in the short time I worked with them...
Sounds like the plot to a terrible ####. "But sergeant... isn't there some way we can keep this just between us?"
Well, best place to have it if you're going to have it I guess. Little chance of killing innocent barrack boxes.
There's a washroom door in a disused metal factory in Bosnia that still bears the scar of a Chilean LCol trying to put it down. The next day the thoughtful Scottish base guards left a Fig 11 on a stick in the toilet for him.
Scenario 1 is exactly how it played out but we made sure the proper authority knew about it as someone could have been killed and god forbid it happened to one of us we would be hung by first light.
Scenario 2: unless Orders tells you that you shall load/unload your weapon at the unit loadingh bay
Lee Enfield
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They’re junk and they deserve to die. I even know it’s not about the stoppages because when I had one issued it had stoppages with one mag but never with the other.
I hate them because they’re just sub-par by any standard of combat sidearm. Generic Glocks would be better, or if the Army needs something with a hammer, anything in the CZ Shadow line would be better.
The reason I hate it the most is because of the pyramid triangle front sight, to be honest. Obviously not a huge issue if you really had to rely on it in a 5-10m panic situation, but it’s the worst iron sight set up I’ve ever used.
By the way, the one I was issued in Kandahar had never been fired. I couldn’t be the first. It was issued with a solid black barrel and I gave it back with a solid black barrel. The one before that, back in Canada was the silver barrel workhorse.
I hate them because they’re just sub-par by any standard of combat sidearm. Generic Glocks would be better, or if the Army needs something with a hammer, anything in the CZ Shadow line would be better.
The reason I hate it the most is because of the pyramid triangle front sight, to be honest. Obviously not a huge issue if you really had to rely on it in a 5-10m panic situation, but it’s the worst iron sight set up I’ve ever used.
By the way, the one I was issued in Kandahar had never been fired. I couldn’t be the first. It was issued with a solid black barrel and I gave it back with a solid black barrel. The one before that, back in Canada was the silver barrel workhorse.
handofzeus
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I love my CH Inglis with the arsenal remanned slide and my 3T!
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I remember the Banja Luka 1m indoor range
that was a Sunday morning, We only worked about 2 hours on Sundays, so our day off, I was just thinking of getting up when I heard the shot
But not hearing any panic and no QRF rolling out I decided I would just sleep in a little longer. He blamed the ND on not being familiar with the pistol, I believe it was borrowed from the British a Browning Mk3, he couldn't figure out the de-cocker.
He was a tool.
Inglis BHp, only as good as the mag you are using. Too many smokers in the field using the mags to open beer bottles.
I own a 3T and it works just fine for what it was intended for.
I remember the Banja Luka 1m indoor range
that was a Sunday morning, We only worked about 2 hours on Sundays, so our day off, I was just thinking of getting up when I heard the shot
He blamed the ND on not being familiar with the pistol, I believe it was borrowed from the British a Browning Mk3, he couldn't figure out the de-cocker.
He was a tool.
Inglis BHp, only as good as the mag you are using. Too many smokers in the field using the mags to open beer bottles.
I own a 3T and it works just fine for what it was intended for.
I have a 1T with several mags. Over the past 50 years, that pistol has accumulated close to a dozen magazines with proper legal capacity limits of course. In all that time, I've never had a failure to feed from any surplus JI magazine, as long as the springs and feed lips were in functioning condition.
I picked up several at a local gun show a few decades back that all had buggered up feed lips from just what you mention. Being used as bottle openers/screwdrivers/hammers etc. There were two dozen mags in that box. I made up a mandrel out of tool steel that was a perfect fit inside a functioning magazine. Access to a milling machine helped a lot but there was still final filing/polishing to get it just right.
Some of the mags were not fixable. Metal had been removed and it wasn't worth replacing, timewise or financially. I ended up with several sets of spare springs/followers/floorplates, which all were eventually used up. Still, I did manage to save 75% of the mags in the box. All of them functioned well in my pistol as well as the pistols of those I later sold them to.
It doesn't matter which pistol the Canadian Forces will be issued, there will be abuse of the magazines.
I'm not saying we don't need new pistols or a new model. WE DO.
I am saying lack of training, lack of replacement parts to keep things functioning properly and maybe lackadaisical maintenance are likely the main culprits. Abuse of functioning parts is normal, when the operator doesn't really care? Poor ammo?
One thing I did notice about two decades ago was how many of the BHP35s had Belgian HP replacement barrels. I was looking for a replacement barrel for my pistol. I wanted an unstamped replacement Depot specimen if possible. They used to be available as surplus. None to be found. The Chinese models came back to Century International and many had smooth bores from hard use and corrosive ammo.
I ended up doing what was suggested by the armorer on the Chilliwack base. Get a Belgian replacement barrel because they only need a bit of fiddling to get them installed and working properly. I did that and my 1T shot better than it did when I purchased it new over 50 years ago as surplus out of an Idaho gunshop.
I've heard lots of horror stories but as woodchopper states, operator error and abuse of the mags carries a lot of the blame.
I would say that depends on the situation. For the most part many users the pistols are issued to consider them to be unnecessary weight and treat them accordingly.
Glocks are cheap, pistols that are acceptably accurate and cheap for their intended purpose. I suspect cheap is a major issue.
I really like my P35 Inglis and I definitely liked the Belgian made HP pistols as well. I also like the war time P38 and later Manhurin P38s but am not a fan of the P1 with the aluminum frame. Just don't feel right.
Glocks don't appeal to me either but that doesn't mean I don't appreciate how capable they are of doing the job they are intended for.
If push comes to shove and I had a choice of sidearms to carry for self protection or into the field, it would be a revolver chambered for the ubiquitous 357 magnum
I find your post interesting for several reasons - not this least of which is that the Inglis Hi-Power was never manufactured with a black barrel. Also, if ppl think NDs can be an issue with the hi-power, then you aren't ready in CAF for Glocks. Hell, the NDs at Connaught when staff officers re-qual would dwarf everything happening now with a trigger safety sidearm from my perspective.
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I think that the most of the complaints about the Inglis BHp come from the target shooters. The Army is never going to buy and issue the equivalent to tricked out race guns with all polished parts and custom sights.
first they cost too much and fancy sights get damaged easily.
What they will get will be a cheap utility pistol that is rugged with simple parts and easy to maintain, and won't break.
this is why there is no hurry to replace the BHp, it is simple, rugged and it works. So until the depo runs out of replacements there is no desire to spend the dollars on a new pistol.
first they cost too much and fancy sights get damaged easily.
What they will get will be a cheap utility pistol that is rugged with simple parts and easy to maintain, and won't break.
this is why there is no hurry to replace the BHp, it is simple, rugged and it works. So until the depo runs out of replacements there is no desire to spend the dollars on a new pistol.
Why not buy in on the big US buy of the new Sigs? We are allies.
I agree on the revolver call. I'd pack one of my S&W snub M19s if I felt the need. Not going to stop a charging bear, but it might adjust the attitude of a two legged predator.
I agree on the revolver call. I'd pack one of my S&W snub M19s if I felt the need. Not going to stop a charging bear, but it might adjust the attitude of a two legged predator.
Not so. There is a replacement capital project underway in dnd, but military procurements with domestic regional benefits considerations will ensure it is not a speedy affair.
