The best kept secret in optics?

Yycbulletsandbrass said:
I've tried a couple on others guns, they were a red dot. But they were not an Aimpoint by any stretch. Kind of strange that holosun designs their reddot to look like an Aimpoint. Almost like they want people to mistake it for an Aimpoint... I have also witnessed a few failures, not staying on and not tracking/holding zero. The mounts(factory) are quite pathetic. There's a video floating around of a guy doing a water bucket test with Holosun optics and they fail repeatedly. Here's a Canadian review about them.

https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2015/10/08/unsuitable-range-holosun-review/

For the price of some of their red dot sights and for not much more than others you could have an Aimpoint PRO. Or, save your pennies, adjust your priorities and have fewer higher quality guns and optics versus a pile of low end junk.



There's the famous line every low end product consumer uses to validate their purchase. I haven't heard anyone explain just what that means or how you apply cost to product in a proper ratio. Should a $25 red dot simply need to turn on and do nothing else to be "value for the money"? Perhaps it needs to turn on and stay on for one week to qualify? Does a $300 holosun need to turn on, stay on for weeks, AND have adjustments that work? The "value for the money" line is a polite way of saying " I know what I bought is junk, but it should be fine for what I'm doing, and I don't expect anything out of it."



Very true... Spoken like someone who might have learned that the hard way ;)



I haven't had issues with them, I don't use them. I've also never had an issue with any of my Aimpoints, Trijicons, or Nightforce(which I no longer have :( ). I'm glad your Holosun worked for you and you're right. The shooter is equally as important if not a little more so than the gear. But if the gear fails, the shooter is worthless. I've also seen plenty of low end optics, mounts, slings, etc fail at matches or at the range. Everything works until it doesn't. The other common saying I hear from people who buy low quality gear is precisely what you posted, "it hasn't failed" or "it hasn't failed yet" or "X number of months/years/rounds and still working". These are statements of surprise, because even they(owners) didn't expect their item to last so long.
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You're spending a lot of time arguing your point to people who don't care about it.

Some people like higher end gear. I'm one of them. Some people are happy with cheaper stuff. That's for them to decide... Not me or you.
 
BooSSted said:
You're spending a lot of time arguing your point to people who don't care about it.

Some people like higher end gear. I'm one of them. Some people are happy with cheaper stuff. That's for them to decide... Not me or you.
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Agreed, I don't want to hear the lies about how low end gear is "just as good as" because it isn't.
 
Yycbulletsandbrass said:
There's the famous line every low end product consumer uses to validate their purchase. I haven't heard anyone explain just what that means or how you apply cost to product in a proper ratio. Should a $25 red dot simply need to turn on and do nothing else to be "value for the money"? Perhaps it needs to turn on and stay on for one week to qualify? Does a $300 holosun need to turn on, stay on for weeks, AND have adjustments that work? The "value for the money" line is a polite way of saying " I know what I bought is junk, but it should be fine for what I'm doing, and I don't expect anything out of it."
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Now you're being ignorant... Did you want me to run a product advertisement for you? Fine... The value for me comes from options the optic has. Multiple reticle options, solar panel for redundancy, auto on and off, etc. Show me another cheap optic with those options. Hell show me a pricier one with those options.

What percentage of people really abuse their optics? EVEN if a tiny group are competitors, they also treat their guns rather well. So for vast majority of people holosun is perfectly fine, maybe even overkill. I actually prefer my holo to my aim point for its different options. Different strokes for different folks. But you seem to think you know best.
 
Di optical is in and made in South Korea.
http://www.donginoptical.com/en/home_en/
I understand holosun, primary arms are great. But DI optical is actually military grade sites for the same price as Chinese companies. There is no comparison in my opinion. These sites are actually used in the military, unlike primary arms or holosun. You can not beat the quality for the money
 
And too add, I personally do like high end stuff. But at a time we just had our second son born, so I did not have the money to get what I wanted(aimpoint T1). So I spent weeks looking at military optics from around the world, I fully understand everyone's wants and needs are different. And personally I see no need to call someone wrong for there own personal opinion. I made this post for the guys out there that want the best for there money in the form of a cheaper optic. Yes there is cons to it, the glass is not aimpoint, eotech, etc. They are heavy in weight. But if you are a guy that wants,likes stuff that's built like a tank, and would last the test of time and has a very nice crisp red dot. Di optical is a great choice for you to look at.
 
Yycbulletsandbrass said:
Their head office is in China, which means they're likely manufactured there as well.



Sorry, Holosun is still hobby grade junk.
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DI optical is Korean. Not chinese. And they are very well made. I run an EG1 on my Tavor and it's as good as any of the eotechs and aimpoints I have

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Yycbulletsandbrass said:
Does a $300 holosun need to turn on, stay on for weeks, AND have adjustments that work?
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I've got a Sig Romeo on my T97. It's just a rebranded holosun. I've left it on for over a year on the battery that came in the box and put thousands of rounds through the rifle. It's still on, haven't had to zero it since I mounted it. I'm not surprised at this, I made my purchase after checking multiple reviews, on battery life, ability to retain zero, and even torture tests including long term submersion, freezing the optic in ice, dropping it onto concrete, and even a test where the optic survived a shotgun impact.

Just as you can underspend and get total junk, there is also a law of diminishing returns.

It's no aimpoint, but they aren't trash. For anyone who doesn't have $1000+ to spend, they're a perfectly acceptable option that will take anything you throw at it.
 
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Yycbulletsandbrass said:
Agreed, I don't want to hear the lies about how low end gear is "just as good as" because it isn't.
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I don't think anybody said it was just as good, because they aren't on the same level. I agree buy once cry once etc, but like I said, i was surprised that an optic with the reputation people like you have given it, performed the way it did. Sure, it could fail any day, just like your high end gear, but what you pay for is QC/ quality parts and less probability of failure...
 
Kidd X? I'm somewhat embarrassed to admit that I don't recognize that name.

But TDC? Man, how could it be more obvious?!
 
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