The CANADIAN Ruger Gunsight Scout Discussion Thread

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As Gunsight Scout owners, lets use one thread form some general questions & discussion about this great 'Do it all' Rifle.

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Ruger Gunsite Scout Rifle Specifications

MODEL: 6803
CALIBER: .308 Win.
STOCK: Black Laminate
CAPACITY: 10 Rounds
MATERIAL: Stainless
FINISH: Matte Stainless
FRONT SIGHT: Post
REAR SIGHT: Adjustable
BARREL LENGTH: 18.5"
OVERALL LENGTH: 38.00" - 39.50"
WEIGHT: 7 lbs
LENGTH OF PULL: 12.75" - 14.25"
TWIST: 1:10" RH
GROOVES: 6

Great write up HERE on the Ruger GSS.
 
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Any one had the change to run some 7.62x51 Nato in their rifle ? Or are there any VERY experienced ammunition guys who can clarify the .308 win eating 7.62x51 question ?

In looking around, I found this on another Ruger Scout thread :

Here is the email I just received from Ruger.................


Dear Evan,


Thank you for using the Ruger On-Line Customer Support Request Form.

This e-mail is in response to your question or comment of 01/24/2012
Request No: 123277

Comment / question:

Can I shoot 7.62x51 NATO ammunition in my Ruger Gunsite Scout Rifle?

Thank You,
Evan

Response:
7.62 x 51 NATO can be fired in any and all M77’s and Hawkeyes, including the Scout Rifle chambered in .308 Win.

Note; Military surplus ammunition can vary greatly in its quality and consistency.

Thank you for your interest in Ruger Firearms.

If you need further information, please visit our website at www.ruger.com or contact us at:

Revolvers, shotguns, rifles, 10/22 Charger Pistol: (603) 865-2442
Pistols: (928) 778-6555
Serial Number History Information: (603) 865-2424

Please note: This e-mail is sent from a notification-only address that cannot accept incoming e-mail. Please do not reply to this message.

Sincerely,
Ruger Firearms
_________________

Also found this :
The .308 is actualy the .308 Winchester.....

Short answer -- No they dont interchange...

Yes you can put 7.62X51MM in a rifle chambered in .308 and fire it safely ....

NO you can not take .308 ammunition and put it in a rifle chambered (labeled) 7.62X51MM.....

Read on......

.308 Win vs. 7.62x51--The Straight Scoop
Before we go much further, we want to address the oft-posed question "Are the .308 Winchester and 7.62x51 NATO one and the same?" The simple answer is no. There are differences in chamber specs and maximum pressures. The SAMMI/CIP maximum pressure for the .308 Win cartridge is 62,000 psi, while the 7.62x51 max is 50,000 psi. Also, the headspace is slightly different. The .308 Win "Go Gauge" is 1.630" vs. 1.635" for the 7.62x51. The .308's "No-Go" dimension is 1.634" vs. 1.6405" for a 7.62x51 "No Go" gauge. That said, it is normally fine to shoot quality 7.62x51 NATO ammo in a gun chambered for the .308 Winchester (though not all NATO ammo is identical). Clint McKee of Fulton Armory notes: "[N]obody makes 7.62mm (NATO) ammo that isn't to the .308 'headspace' dimension spec. So 7.62mm ammo fits nicely into .308 chambers, as a rule." You CAN encounter problems going the other way, however. A commercial .308 Win round can exceed the max rated pressure for the 7.62x51. So, you should avoid putting full-power .308 Win rounds into military surplus rifles that have been designed for 50,000 psi max.... Reloaders should also note that military ammo often is made with a thicker web. Consequently the case capacity of 7.62x51 brass is usually less than that of commercial .308 brass. You may need to reduce recommended .308 Winchester loads by as much as 2 full grains, if you reload with military 7.62x51 brass, such as Lake City or IMI.
Source(s):
http://www.thegunzone.com/30cal.html

http://www.303british.com/id36.html
 
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Thanks Coho. I'll be joining the "owners" club soon, as soon as I can find one "in stock" at Epps. I'm gonna keep an eye on this thread.
 
I have a question, when the 10 rnd AIA mags fitting in the M305 discussion was just starting, I just happenbed to have an M305 and an AIA with two mags. Being a gun noob I drilled a small hole in the AIA mag to make it functionally similar to the m305 mags. I was told that if I used it in the M305 it would be a prohibited device, so I quickly dismantled it. (Damn) I learned shortly after that it functioned fine without adding the hole anyway.

My question is, is this mag legal to use in a standard rifle like another AIA or the ruger scout? I almost threw it away, but now maybe I can sell it, I realize.
 
i am thinking about gettin gone of these and installing a scout scope. it will make a good brush gun. open sights for back up, and a fast pointing scope. i really wish ruger would of made the triggerguard out of steel though! i too will be keeping an eye on this thread.
 
From everything I have read so far, Ruger went polymer trigger guard because it's EASILY strong enough & WAAAY Lighter. Look at all the Polymer framed pistols out there - DURABLE as HELL !

Stick with the Polymer, its actually a really good thing, watch other rifles start doing the same in the future.

i am thinking about gettin gone of these and installing a scout scope. it will make a good brush gun. open sights for back up, and a fast pointing scope. i really wish ruger would of made the triggerguard out of steel though! i too will be keeping an eye on this thread.
 
This will be my first rifle, as soon as the government processes my application. I look forward to it with great anticipation.

That said, can any of you kind souls give me some quality pictures of the stock without the barrel or action, or possibly some dimensions? I really want to try my hand at carving a custom stock, several variants actually, to find some shape and size that fits me the best.
Alternatively, if the stock is the same as some other rifle's I can just grab one of those instead and use it as a blueprint. I've looked around but I can't find out if any other rifles use the same stock.

I've tried searching for it but I can't quite find what I need, which would be the technical specifications. I know I could just wait however long until I get my own, but I want to get started now because I've got weird ideas that will take significant work to to see if they are viable.

Thanks.
 
This will be my first rifle, as soon as the government processes my application. I look forward to it with great anticipation.

That said, can any of you kind souls give me some quality pictures of the stock without the barrel or action, or possibly some dimensions? I really want to try my hand at carving a custom stock, several variants actually, to find some shape and size that fits me the best.
Alternatively, if the stock is the same as some other rifle's I can just grab one of those instead and use it as a blueprint. I've looked around but I can't find out if any other rifles use the same stock.

I've tried searching for it but I can't quite find what I need, which would be the technical specifications. I know I could just wait however long until I get my own, but I want to get started now because I've got weird ideas that will take significant work to to see if they are viable.

Thanks.

The Ruger Scout is a Ruger M77 shortened with a few add-ons. Google Ruger M77 Stocks and you will find TONS that should fit (But I haven't measured the Scout vs the M77 yet).

http://www.boydsgunstocks.com/Classic-Replacement-Stocks-Ruger-s/38.htm

Link from he initial post...
Weights

GSR Stock (buttpad only; no spacers or sling) 963 grams

Barreled action
(with trigger guard/magazine well; no magazine) 2.282 kg

Scope (Leupold 2.5 x 28 IER) 200 g

Rings (Warne QD, Low) 136 g/pair (2 @ 68 g each)

5-Round Magazine (empty) 153 g

10-Round Magazine (empty) 242 g

5-Round Magazine (with 5 rounds) 270 g

10-Round Magazine (with 10 rounds) 476 g

Rifle without scope, no magazine
(buttpad but no stock spacers) 3.172 kg

Rifle with scope, no magazine
(buttpad but no stock spacers) 3.512 kg

Rifle with scope and empty 5-round magazine
(buttpad but no stock spacers) 3.665 kg

Rifle with scope and empty 10-round magazine
(buttpad but no stock spacers) 3.754 kg

Rifle with scope and full 5-round magazine
(buttpad but no stock spacers) 3.782 kg

Rifle with scope and full 10-round magazine
(buttpad but no stock spacers) 3.988kg

Stock Spacers (each) 30 g

Sling (Turner Scout sling, 1 ¼-inch width, three
Uncle Mike’s Locking Swivels)
(NOTE: a new sling from Andy is on the way!) 230 g

“All-Up” Weight
(Rifle with scope, sling, full 5-round magazine,
buttpad, no stock spacers) 4.012 kg



Dimensions

Overall length (with no stock spacers) 38 inches

Stock Spacers (three at ½ inch each; total adjustment + 1.5 inch to the above)

Barrel Diameters (OD) and length of section measured:


At chamber 1.160 inch (1 11/16 inches)

Under scope mount 0.940 inch (4 ½ inches)

Between scope mount and front sight 0.696 inch (8 ½ inches)

Length, Barreled Action 26 ¼ inches

Length, Stock w/o action 28 5/8 inches
 
If the M77 stocks fit the hardware, it should be easy to shorten & finish the stock with handtools.

**but again, I haven't compared an M77 stock to the Gunsight Scout one. We should get some side by side photos of the M77 stock & the GSS stock :)

Excellent. Thanks. Now I just need to find out how to pull my ideas off without needing a machine shop to build them for me.
 
The US version has a barrel length of what 16.75 inches?
The CDN 18.5" barrel makes more sence to me
I'd like to see a 20-22" barrel though

Over-all I suppose that "I DON'T GET IT".

A scout rifle is supposed to be lightweight.
Really lightweight
6lbs or less is ideal
This rife is 7lbs empty and without a scope

The LER scope rail prohibits most scopes being mounted on the receiver due to objective size. You should be safe with 33mm.

The AI mag gets in the way.

For $1000 I'll build my own
 
I want to ask about if it's possible to modify a steel magazine to be able to top-load, has anyone done it?

From what I've seen, lacking physical evidence as I haven't seen any polymer mags I could purchase, the polymer mag either has a wider gap between feed lips or more elastic feed lips, or both. So, would it be possible to file or bend the feed lips a small amount so that cartridges can be functionally toploaded and still held snugly?

I can topload my steel magazines, it just takes an unwise amount of force and will likely damage the lips or the cartridge eventually. I would really like to be able to have the option of using stripper clips but I don't want to mangle these magazines irreparably.

I've tried googling this, but there are too many key words necessary to give any conclusive results.

If any of you know anything about this subject I would like to hear it. Thanks.
 
I think if you were going to try to top load the Ruger scout you'd need to start with the Alpha Industries Manufacturing magasines and go from there, the lips are WAY at the back of the magasines making it easier to insert the rounds.

As well, the springs aren't as stiff making one hand loading easy.

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I want to ask about if it's possible to modify a steel magazine to be able to top-load, has anyone done it?

From what I've seen, lacking physical evidence as I haven't seen any polymer mags I could purchase, the polymer mag either has a wider gap between feed lips or more elastic feed lips, or both. So, would it be possible to file or bend the feed lips a small amount so that cartridges can be functionally toploaded and still held snugly?

I can topload my steel magazines, it just takes an unwise amount of force and will likely damage the lips or the cartridge eventually. I would really like to be able to have the option of using stripper clips but I don't want to mangle these magazines irreparably.

I've tried googling this, but there are too many key words necessary to give any conclusive results.

If any of you know anything about this subject I would like to hear it. Thanks.
 
Update :

I picked up a couple Ruger Scout Polymer 10 round mags,

Compared to the steel AICS original (Which now confirmed holds 12 & OCCASIONALY 13 - but sometimes the 13th pops out due to the metal flanges pressuring apart a bit), the polymers are much shorter (by like 2 cm) & alot lighter.

I also picked up a 5 round metal Ruger mag for hunting season, it basically fits flush to the trigger guard.

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I picked up a couple Ruger Scout Polymer 10 round mags,

Compared to the steel AICS original (Which now confirmed holds 12 & OCCASIONALY 13 - but sometimes the 13th pops out due to the metal flanges pressuring apart a bit), the polymers are much shorter (by like 2 cm) & alot lighter.

I also picked up a 5 round metal Ruger mag for hunting season, it basically fits flush to the trigger guard.

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I've also included a pic of my NC Star illuminated long eye relief 2-7x40mm scope reticle :)
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Have you tryed ejecting a round yet? Your scope seems to be right over the ejection port.
 
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