The New Canadian Ranger Rifle

antiqueguy said:
why not just make nee Lee Enfield's in country in 7.62x51 its not that hard to tool up and with modern CNC equipment production could be faster
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Because the LE is old and inaccurate. The Canadian army is panning on using a rifle designed in this century, not 2 centuries ago.
 
Old, perhaps. That means nothing. The Sun is 8 billion years old and it still works fine.

I dare you to come here and PROVE they are inaccurate.

Too many just on MY rack that will shoot 1 MOA with irons to make a blanket statement such as that..... and I certainly don't have the only rack.
 
I have no idea why the Government is so in love with Colt Canada.

Check it out: it isn't even Canadian-owned.

What I would like to know is:

Whose palm got greased?

How much?
 
larrysmith said:
Because the LE is old and inaccurate. The Canadian army is panning on using a rifle designed in this century, not 2 centuries ago.
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lol inaccurate even mine that was handed down beat to hell and went through a war still shoots well if I do my part with my reloads using cast bullets I can print clover leafs at 100 yards. there's plenty of room for the Lee Enfield to continue on into the 21 century especially if they made new ones or maybe you did not read that part
 
smellie said:
I have no idea why the Government is so in love with Colt Canada.

Check it out: it isn't even Canadian-owned.

What I would like to know is:

Whose palm got greased?

How much?
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everyone's it seems and for a lot id love to produce Lee Enfield and martini's if I could at least then it would be 100% Canadian made
 
Ian Robertson said:
Having Colt design and build a new rifle will prove to be a big waste of money when there are lots of "off the shelf" guns that will do the job.
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While the cost is surely going to be more than a COTS solution, the upside is a Canadian solution. I remember when we recieved the C7 and C8. Many at the time, including myself, thought the cost further developing and building the M16 platform in Canada was a waste of money when we could just have gotten them off the US. Skip forward 30 years and the C7/8 are considered by many, including a great number of top-tier special forces, to be the best AR version if not the best rifle/carbine available.
I suspect the capital budget and investment in the Ranger rifle will be a rather small drop in the bucket when the whole defence budget is concerned.
 
We don't know that Colt will actually design a new rifle from the ground up. They have a two phase Request for Proposals. The first phase is for the design and production of 125 prototypes for testing. The second phase is for the production of 6500 of the selected rifle plus parts and accessories. It's quite possible that Colt will partner with another maker to establish the design on the basis of some existing rifle and then produce the prototypes.

It would be prohibitively expensive to design a totally new bolt action rifle for such a small production run. Bolt action rifle design was pretty much locked up with the M98 Mauser nearly 120 yrs ago. Everything since has been refinements or variations of the basic concept. As an aside it would be interesting to learn what bolt rifle Inuit hunters prefer and use other than the No4 Lee-Enfield.
 
It is true that the C7 has been a good rifle and I believe the current price is under 1k a copy. I think Colt is forcing the Gov the reinvent the wheel. They have a contract to supply the guns to the forces and for years they have been asking for manufacturers to supply prints so they can build a rifle that are already in production. Ya, right. I know I would fall all over myself to give my designs to someone to copy. This is why they must design a new rifle action that they can legally make. The requirement is for a robust hunting rifle. It should not be a super duper sniper special and it does not need to be for the required use. If they want to build a good action then they should dig out the plans and build more #4's which could be simplified.
 
purple said:
We don't know that Colt will actually design a new rifle from the ground up. They have a two phase Request for Proposals. The first phase is for the design and production of 125 prototypes for testing. The second phase is for the production of 6500 of the selected rifle plus parts and accessories. It's quite possible that Colt will partner with another maker to establish the design on the basis of some existing rifle and then produce the prototypes.

It would be prohibitively expensive to design a totally new bolt action rifle for such a small production run. Bolt action rifle design was pretty much locked up with the M98 Mauser nearly 120 yrs ago. Everything since has been refinements or variations of the basic concept. As an aside it would be interesting to learn what bolt rifle Inuit hunters prefer and use other than the No4 Lee-Enfield.
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the first phase has all ready been done , they have a partner , and the design , its going to be a great rife as best I can tell.
 
@ DIOPTER: We had a member here who definitely would have wanted one of those. He is using his Number 4 right now and is happy with it: if you know what you are doing, you CAN use it for Beluga and Musk Ox. He has posted pictures here at one time or another.

Come to think of it, I think I want one of those, too! With my walking problems, it would be useful; I would be able to shoot the target and haul it back to me so I could score it!
 
Colt Canada has first rights to all small arms in Canada. Including developing a Rifle under licence through the TDP purchased by the Government.
 
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smellie said:
Sure give you a whack of information.

Bolt action. Gee whizz! Schmitt? Ross? Lee? Savage? Mauser? Mannlicher? Paravicini? Vetterli? Beaumont? Chassepot? Gras? Berdan? Moisin?

Or something else? Gawd knows there are enough something-elses!

Likely it will be some aluminum-and-plastic abortion of a thing that breaks in half the first time it hits 50 below.

The Lee rifle has been around since 1879.

When are the "experts" going to get it through their heads that there just might be a REASON for that?

The only rifle which can successfully replace a Lee is..... another Lee.

It is the simplest, most robust and trouble-free firearm ever constructed. It has proved that over the past 136 years.

Some day, they might learn!
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For sure the gov't will replace something that works with something that sounds good.
 
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