The NEW KING is taking off!

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Well I did it, I managed to work through all 20 pages of this crap. Tell ya what guys, it's the bullet's construction combined with it's velocity that kills game. The cartridge case has little relevance to the end result provided it holds enough powder to drive the bullet fast enough for the application at hand. The .375 Ruger in a magnum length CZ action might be a mistake. The CZ won't be is as handy under tough conditions as the Ruger Alaskan. Besides, I am not as comfortable with the idea of a short cartridge in a magnum length action as I was before Pounder had a factory .458 round go off in his 602's magazine. Since then he has had the rifle repaired and rechambered to .458 Lott. So in my opinion, the CZ is better chambered with a long cartridge. Loaded with quality 260-270 gr bullets, the Ruger Alaskan is tough to beat for North American applications and has proven to be flat shooting and versatile. The Ruger's advantage however diminishes with an increase in bullet weight, and if you prfer to use bullets in excess of 300 grs you are better off with a longer cartridge.
 
Those CZ's in 458 are the biggest joke I have ever seen. How did that round go off in the mag? By slamming around like a hot dog in a hall way I would guess??



I would Definitely take the RUGatehousER over those 458 CZ's!


I don't need it anyways as I own the ORIGINAL KING the 9.3x64Brenneke in a standard 98 action. Ruger tryed and failed to duplicte it's AWSOMENESS.


Just say it out loud B R E N N E K E


OHH MAN it's AWSOME!
 
We're still not sure how the round fired in the magazine. The way I understand things is that a lead bullet can't bounce when it impacts the front of the magazine wall, particularly when there is pressure applied to the rounds by the follower. Once the round is against the front of the magazine, the round should have stayed there, but obviously something happened and the simplest explanation would seem to be that the round bounced back against the rear of the magazine and perhaps some carumba in the mag got between the round and the rear mag-wall causing it to fire under recoil.

The only other explanation I can think of is that perhaps the priming compound had come loose in the cup and recoil impulse was sufficient to cause the loose priming compound to impact the anvil and fire. If that is what happened, I've never heard of it before, but we are at a loss to find any other possible explanations. Pounder checks his rounds, both factory and handloads, and there is no chance that he missed a high primer.

This is the order of the rounds in the magazine, it was the top round that fired, squashing the lower rounds.
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The primer provides more questions than answers. Was the strange indent the result of the round impacting the rear of the magazine in recoil, firing the round, or did it impact the rear of the magazine after firing? We assume the primer stayed in the primer pocket because the pressure inside the case was rapidly relieved after the case failed.
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Camp Cook said:
Your the one that started spewing about other cartridges not me.
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all I said was the 375 HH & Ruger both share very similar downrange ballistics to a 308 Winchester (BC's of .470ish launched @ 2700-2800 fps). Almost everyone can appreciate the abilities of the 308 Winchester at extended range. You may not personally feel it is capable of killing an animal, but the 375 HH & Ruger's hit with alot more impact ;)

Once again I see that your in a dream world of your own making I just wrote that a 22 short can kill polar bears so where in your wildest dreams do you get this uniformed idea from if a 22 can get the job done obviously a 308 can as well?
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you might want to reread the posts back there and try writing this quote again so it makes even a bit of sense :)
 
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Man that's incredible! Amazing no serious injuries. I had two Zkk602's back in the mid-80's, a .375 and .458. Both rather rough so that the .458 would not cycle a round until worked on. I trust the new CZ's are better. As for .375's, I own an H+H FN Browning and a Mauser custom .375 Taylor.
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Boomer - it doesn't look like a big enough hit on the primer, does it? On the other hand most .458 loads are compressed, so how would there be any movement of the powder or priming compound? Very odd indeed!
 
1899 said:
Boomer - it doesn't look like a big enough hit on the primer, does it? On the other hand most .458 loads are compressed, so how would there be any movement of the powder or priming compound? Very odd indeed!
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I don't think there was movement in the powder charge, but if the priming compound had somehow started to float around within the cup perhaps the recoil impulse could have caused the primer to function. As I said though, I have never ever heard of something like that occurring, so if that is what happened, it must of been a one time in the history of the world event. And that is the most disturbing thing about the whole incident, there was no one thing you could point your finger at and say, yes that was it and we'll avoid that in the future. So, I am no longer comfortable with the idea of a short round in a long magazine, as would be the case of the .375 Ruger in a CZ.
 
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I seem to remember hearing somwhere that the 375 ruger will be offered in CZ's standard action, the one that houses the 30-06 and such.
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I guess I just assumed it would be, anything else would be a mistake. (Like the jamb o matic 458's) Hopefully they will put the 458 in there were it belongs too.
 
Boomer said:
I don't think there was movement in the powder charge, but if the priming compound had somehow started to float around within the cup perhaps the recoil impulse could have caused the primer to function. As I said though, I have never ever heard of something like that occurring, so if that is what happened, it must of been a one time in the history of the world event. And that is the most disturbing thing about the whole incident, there was no one thing you could point your finger at and say, yes that was it and we'll avoid that in the future. So, I am no longer comfortable with the idea of a short round in a long magazine, as would be the case of the .375 Ruger in a CZ.
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I don't think it was a coincidence that this one time, never heard of before event happened in a heavy recoiling rifle with an over sized mag box....the only rifle of it's kind that I can think of. It has got to have something do with the cartridge slamming back and or forth.


Very interesting.
 
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