The NEW KING is taking off!

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Not true if you're buying an RSM... which is what Ruger offers as their H&H. Hands down better than the Sako offering. :)

I think it's time we took up a collection for you. You need to spend a couple more $$$ a gram on what ever it is you're smoking. Yes the RSM is nice,but I'll take the Sako 85 Safari over it any day.
 
The 375 rug is like that chick that gave birth to 8 kids, soon to be forgotten by all but a few perverse individuals.


Perverse I may be, but the MIGHTY .375 Ruger, NEW KING OF ALL THE .375's will not be forgotten any time soon. It will grow in popularity, live long and prosper.

ALL HAIL THE \NEW KING

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I think it's time we took up a collection for you. You need to spend a couple more $$$ a gram on what ever it is you're smoking. Yes the RSM is nice,but I'll take the Sako 85 Safari over it any day.

I love comments like this, I appreciate the levity. Are you taking your Sako to Africa for dangerous game? My RSM is going in April after Cape Buffalo. The PH's strongly advise against Sakos, Tikkas, Remingtons, and Savages by name for dangerous game. For good reason too, read the review below. The RSM is one beautiful piece of machining, with its integral sight rib ($1500-3000 on a custom), flush easy access mag release in the trigger guard (just like the .375 Ruger's in this case we're discussing actually as well), all steel construction, a silky bolt that moves as if on ball bearings, and a true Magnum sized mag box, not just a long action adapted over. I can seat H&H rounds out to just under 4" OAL in the RSM for loading 350gr bullets for Cape Buffalo or 300gr bullets with 80+grs of powder without having to compress the loads (such as H4350, which you can not fit enough of in the H&H case to overpressure, and can attain 2,700fps with a 300gr safely in my RSM). The Sako just simply will not do this. Nor is it CRF, a must for a dangerous game rifle. Nor could it possibly be any more accurate than my RSM. If you prefer the name Sako, go for it, but it's an inferior rifle for its intended use. Branding gets some folks I presume however.

The issues I mention for its use as a DGR are below, here's where I have to side with "the dark side", and admit I'd gladly take a .375 Ruger Hawkeye African after dangerous game than a Sako 85 push feed... :redface: The Sako's a fantastic North American/European hunting rifle. The RSM is a fantastic world hunting rifle, especially when hunting things that fight back.

To briefly cover the new features of the new Sako 85 action, let's start with controlled-round feeding. We reviewed a Sako 85 Hunter in depth (see the Product Review Page) and found that the Sako 85 version of controlled feed lacks the advantages of a true controlled feed action. This action does not have a full-length extractor on the Mauser 98 pattern. The 85's bolt head mounted extractor is much smaller than the full-length extractors on a Mauser 98 and takes a smaller bite on the case rim. If you close the Sako's bolt about half way (until you hear the next cartridge in the magazine click up, ready to be fed) and then pull the bolt back and try to close it again, it will jam the rifle by attempting to double feed.
A true controlled feed action, in that situation, holds onto the first cartridge until the bolt is completely withdrawn and it is ejected. If the bolt is run forward again while still holding the first cartridge, the extractor keeps it in place and guides it into the chamber, preventing the bolt from attempting to pick-up the second cartridge and preventing a double feed jam.

Nor does the Sako 85 guide a fresh cartridge into the chamber like a controlled feed action. It simply pushes it forward and into the chamber like any push feed action. It is not until about the last 1/4" of forward bolt travel that the Sako's extractor actually gets a firm grip on the case rim. By that time the cartridge is almost all the way into the chamber anyway, so being "controlled" at that late stage is pointless.

On the plus side, the Sako's extractor will easily over-ride the rim of a cartridge fed directly into the chamber, like a normal push feed action. For all practical purposes (except advertising) the Model 85 is a push feed action. Its receiver mounted ejector lets a reloader deposit fired brass neatly to hand by opening the bolt slowly.

The Total Control magazine-latch system was, frankly, a pain in the rear. It is the firearms equivalent of a child proof top on a medicine bottle. It requires that the flush, detachable box magazine be pushed firmly into the rifle before the magazine latch can be pressed rearward to release the magazine. This means using two hands to get the magazine out of the rifle. The entire Guns and Online staff found this to be a bother and preferred to leave the magazine in place and simply load the rifle from the top, as with a conventional bolt action rifle with an internal magazine.


The RSM is a huge, heavy, clunky, chunky rifle. This is why it sucks.

Riggght there 'lil buddy. Ever shot one? Please let me know where you got clunky from, or huge for that matter, it's smaller than its competitors including the Sako 85 Safari mentioned above and the CZ550 Safari with a perfect 23" barrel. It's also slimmer in the action body, with a svelte, internal magazine (4 rounds of .375 H&H, vs. 5 rounds and a deeper body in both the Sako and the CZ). Ever even shot a rifle meant for African dangerous game? Please try and tell me you've tried one that's not heavy. You're more man than I if you want to shoot a 7.5lb .416 Rigby. The RSM's weight is right on par with other true African rifles, as opposed to American rifles adapted to Africa, and I am thankful for it. Especially when launching 300gr bullets at 2,700fps yesterday in load testing... and mine's the little RSM. Your comments just smack of internet armchair there bud...
 
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Riggght there 'lil buddy. Ever shot one? Please let me know where you got clunky from, or huge for that matter, it's smaller than its competitors including the Sako 85 Safari mentioned above and the CZ550 Safari with a perfect 23" barrel. It's also slimmer in the action body, with a svelte, internal magazine (4 rounds of .375 H&H, vs. 5 rounds and a deeper body in both the Sako and the CZ). Ever even shot a rifle meant for African dangerous game? Please try and tell me you've tried one that's not heavy. You're more man than I if you want to shoot a 7.5lb .416 Rigby. The RSM's weight is right on par with other true African rifles, as opposed to American rifles adapted to Africa, and I am thankful for it. Especially when launching 300gr bullets at 2,700fps yesterday in load testing... and mine's the little RSM. Your comments just smack of internet armchair there bud...


I have one in 416 Rigby, I can post pics of it if you like for proof. It IS a huge, heavy , clunky, chunky, rifle. The stock is particularly fat in the for end and action areas. It is unwieldy at the best of times. Mine is a beautiful rifle and worth owning, but completely useless for where I live and hunt, (NORTH AMERICA) I did buy it with the intention of hunting cape buffalo with it, but changed my mind as I came to realize that for me, hunting is about doing things my-self, and my way. I now have no interest in following a guide around by the belt loop and shooting only when I am told.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6ya7ZRlrEo&feature=related
I am like Frank Sinatra.
 
I have one in 416 Rigby, I can post pics of it if you like for proof. It IS a huge, heavy , clunky, chunky, rifle. The stock is particularly fat in the for end and action areas. It is unwieldy at the best of times. Mine is a beautiful rifle and worth owning, but completely useless for where I live and hunt, (NORTH AMERICA) I did buy it with the intention of hunting cape buffalo with it, but changed my mind as I came to realize that for me, hunting is about doing things my-self, and my way. I now have no interest in following a guide around by the belt loop and shooting only when I am told.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6ya7ZRlrEo&feature=related
I am like Frank Sinatra.

To each their own, and I must take your comments with more credence in such case, to be frank I'm glad to hear you actually own one to bash one. I imagine an aweful lot depends on what works for you physically, I've had smaller shooters fire my RSM and find it quite uncomfortable, even with mild loads. The larger shooters find it a natural pointer, and beautiful to handle. The weight for me is a positive, this was my first safari rifle, and on first impression I had the same take as you at least in the weight sense. Heavy. Then I grew to appreciate it, and it comes out after everything now, North American, soon to be African, you name it, and it just feels like any other rifle, even on long days. All what you're used to though I imagine, and conditioning, a 9.75lb rifle isn't anything to get excited about in my sphere.

As for Africa, to each their own, as well. But there's a bit more to it than following "on a belt loop" and acting like a robot on command to shoot. A lot more. If one enjoys hunting here, they can certainly enjoy hunting there. You're not just hunting at home, you're paying for the experience. All for personal choice however, and if the cost of hunting there is better spent for you here, over many years, all the more power to ya. For me, Africa is an amazing adventure, dangerous game at 15-50 yards with iron sights in the thick of it an amazing challenge, and the RSM an amazing tool. I hope to get a Krieghoff Classic double rifle in .375 Flanged, and the RSM will be relegated to second fiddle so to speak. The reason for this is balance, the $13,000 Krieghoff handles, well, like a $13k rifle should. The Ruger RSM, for my body, handles at about the level of a $4000 rifle, which is about twice what I paid for mine. In the meantime, and in such competition (the Krieghoff's the only logical next step, for me, as there's nothing I'd want in between the RSM and the Classic I feel offers an advantage worth spending for), I'm very, very smitten with the RSM, as is BigUglyMan (who has a .416 Rigby as well).

It's just like cars. You'll run into 4 out of 5 Corvette owners who love their machine. One will decide it wasn't for him, burns too much fuel, has too much snort, is too heavy, or isn't a Ferrari. Good for them too, they can have what they fancy, but the rest of us are still more than happy.

My RSM doing things it wasn't intended to, well. It just quite simply my "go to" rifle, as it's the one gun I know always is ready, and works, and just seems to hit what I aim at, everytime. I suppose it's just my "confident" rifle.

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Crankbender, I forgot to add, that if you've decided against African hunting, and personally have no interest in it, it doesn't surprise me a rifle designed expressly for African hunting isn't appealling to you. I suspect you'd be even less impressed with a CZ 550 Safari for instance, which is larger, thicker, and longer. The thick forend on the RSM is purposely designed and included that way, as it goes a long way to helping control recoil. Slender forends give the perception of greater recoil to the shooter, as less recoil is dampened by the grip of the forward hand on the forend. You'll find most African bolt actions have quite meaty forends for this reason, and strong checkering. The RSM action is also cross-bolted, for a stronger mount of the barrelled action in the stock and better recoil distribution to avoid stock breakage under the heavy recoil. More "meat" to the wood up front is also necessitated for greater strength. Makes perfect sense to have a thicker forend (which truthfully really isn't that large even), on the RSM. I'm very glad it's there.
 
On the fat for end. My RSM has a regular recoil lug, and a front recoil lug, a separate piece of steel that slips around the small regular recoil lug and extends forwards down the forearm where it is attached to the stock with a screw. This lug takes some of the recoil load, and directs it to the forearm. This is why they are so fat, to handle the load.

On the others. My friend has a Bruno chambered in 458 Lott, I find it to be not bad stock wise but it is way to long for my taste. In fact I find all the magnum length actioned rifles (I also have a M70 375H&H) are just to big.

Lots of guys want better than 338 but less than 458 power in a small action, that is why people made up 375 and 416 Taylors, 9.3 Brennekes and 350Normas. Now there is the new RUGatER, although it is inherently Ghey, it is long overdue for the 375 crowd.
 
On Double rifles, I would gladly take a small framed double (20gauge frame 9.3 cals and smaller) over a large framed one as well. (I belive 375FL are built on large frame from all makers.) I am just a small rifle kind of guy I guess. I have never handled a Kreighoff but would like to. I have been fortunate enough to handle some H&H, Merkels and others. The thing about doubles is even a large framed double like a 470 can feel "small"....or huge and clunky.... depending on weight distribution through the action and bbls. The range in "feel" from one to another is much greater than bolt action rifles that much is sure.
 
Lots of guys want better than 338 but less than 458 power in a small action, that is why people made up 375 and 416 Taylors, 9.3 Brennekes and 350Normas. Now there is the new RUGatER, although it is inherently Ghey, it is long overdue for the 375 crowd.


Long over due? There was the .375 Breeding that I posted - developed over 25 years ago, which is virtually identical to the Ruger, the .376 Steyr came around in 1999 and the 9.3x64 was introduced in 1927. You also mentioned the .375 Taylor, although to my knowledge nobody has ever offered it is a factory chambering.

The main difference between those rounds and the Ruger is marketing.
 
Long over due? There was the .375 Breeding that I posted - developed over 25 years ago, which is virtually identical to the Ruger, the .376 Steyr came around in 1999 and the 9.3x64 was introduced in 1927. You also mentioned the .375 Taylor, although to my knowledge nobody has ever offered it is a factory chambering.

The main difference between those rounds and the Ruger is marketing.

It's not marketing that makes the difference, it's giving people what they want.

The .375 Breeding was made by Ryan Breeding, a custom gunsmith from California. I found a Sam Fadala article on it.

http://www.rbbigbores.com/uploads/rifle_article.pdf

The cartridge looks and acts quite similar to the Ruger. Problem is, if you wanted one you had to have it built, and the rifle in the article was NINE AND A HALF POUNDS AND HAD A MUZZLEBRAKE!!!

Then you needed custom dies and to form cases.

No wonder it's virtually unheard of.

The .376 Steyr never caught on because it failed to even match .375 H&H performance. Would it matter to a bear or moose? Nope, but that's why people weren't interested. (Also it was available in a limited amount of rifles which weren't readily available or pronounceable by most north americans)

9.3 x64 isn't a .375. Great cartridge, but it's not a .375...

.375-338 Taylor also never made it to factory status and case capacity is lower than the H&H.

It's not hard to understand why the 375 Ruger is the NEW KING. It's available in widely distributed and well known rifles, in a compact package, and it offers H&H ++ power. It's an easy sell.;)
 
...but I've easily found .375 H&H in Hope BC, Fort Nelson BC, and Whitecourt AB. :) And ++ is a stretch, it does equal, and marginally exceed the H&H, though not with 300gr loadings, there's a miserly 15 fps difference there and 0.8gr difference in powder charge IIRC from previous pages.

However, you can't get .218 Bee anywhere really, and I enjoy shooting that. So to each their own, the Ruger's just fine, but not my flavour.
 
You can get 24" H&H velocities with a 20" barrel...I've found that to be true with 260, 270 and 300gr bullets. That makes it ++;)






I wonder if anyone that actually OWNS a .375 Ruger is having problems feeding it? Mostly I just see guys that dont' have one telling me that there is no ammo available, although they haven't really looked, either.:p

Ammo availability is such a dumb argument, anyway.... It's like the guys that say 'Buy a 30-06 in case you forget your ammo"

Duhh...DON'T forget your ammo???:p

I'm guessing you aren't the type to forget your .218 Bee ammo.;)
 
No I have no idea what to do...Fook it, I am gonna buy some new extra fat rockered powder skiis...Big bore boys confused the ####s outta me.
 
Fella who shoots at my club wants to get a Ruger but can't find loaded ammo for it or even brass. He's looked on the net so he claims.

Untill this changes, said he ain't gettin one. Told him about this thread. He's not a member here.

Kinda does make things kinda relevant when you can't shoot the damn gun. ;)

Wasn't an argument but a simple question that I was gonna pass an answer along to.
 
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