The new NR NoDak Spud NDS 18SC

TopShelf97 said:
Read the comment you just pinned. I literally said this project will be delayed, and due to the circumstances, it doesn’t require an update from IRG.

My quarrel with metamatt was that he was blaming this on IRG as if he was living under a rock and couldn’t see the things that were happening around the world.

Use your common sense, you shouldn’t need an “official update” to know this was going to be delayed indefinitely.
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So we shouldn’t expect updates in a thread announcing the rifle? The obviously decided to shelve it for a while. Why would they not announce that? It’s #### like this kills customer support because they aren’t being supported by the dealers.

I can’t say I blame them for deciding to wait and see but to remain silent while doing so is incredibly misleading.
 
TopShelf97 said:
Yeah the past few months have been brutal, enough to derail any project.
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Agreed. Unfortunately the political climate South of the border has now shifted, and the uncertainty regarding firearms and freedom there may soon rival what we are currently experiencing in Canada.

I still firmly believe a high quality 180 would sell very, very well in Canada, but perhaps it will come from some other manufacturer first.
 
Mike@NDS said:
Here's the straight info.

1. This is a tiny side project for PWS, they are currently swamped with US production. This includes PWS products and stuff they make for other companies. We (NDS) only have to make the lower so our risk is much less.

2. Logistics: there is serious doubt that the small parts/barrels can be sourced in a consistent manner right now. Even if it was a go, lead times are a minimum of 3-4 months for barrel blanks. (if you can get a PO in Que)

3. NDS and PWS are concerned about the unstable legislative process of OIC in Canada.

4. IRG is concerned about the uncertain political situation in the US as regards to a biden gun ban.

5. The group decided to "wait and see" what happens with the first actions by biden's administration.

6. There have be some prototype uppers and lowers made, but there has been no production parts made yet.

Mike
Co-Owner NDS
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We can only hope that things calm down in the coming months and PWS, Nodak Spud and IRunGuns can take another look at this project.

I don't think this will get banned by another OIC; the Liberals have happily watched thousands of domestically made 180 variants are sold as non restricted, along with semi-auto center fire rifles from Keltec, Norinco, IWI and others.

And the near instant sales of all those rifles should hopefully help tell PWS that the Canadian market is far from done and is thirsty for more, regardless of price point.

Thank you for your transparency on development, if you could share and photos of the prototypes it would be neat, but regardless thank you for your hard work during difficult times and I hope we see the project spring back to life in the next year or so.
 
C-71 is dumb said:
We can only hope that things calm down in the coming months and PWS, Nodak Spud and IRunGuns can take another look at this project.

I don't think this will get banned by another OIC; the Liberals have happily watched thousands of domestically made 180 variants are sold as non restricted, along with semi-auto center fire rifles from Keltec, Norinco, IWI and others.

And the near instant sales of all those rifles should hopefully help tell PWS that the Canadian market is far from done and is thirsty for more, regardless of price point.

Thank you for your transparency on development, if you could share and photos of the prototypes it would be neat, but regardless thank you for your hard work during difficult times and I hope we see the project spring back to life in the next year or so.
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You used logic in your statement. The government has proven time and time again that they don’t use logic. I’m sure they’d be more than happy to let thousands of these be sold all across the country then ban them with the stroke of a pen.
 
Merk506 said:
No reason for this project to not go ahead now considering they want to ban ar 15s in united states.
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I think that makes it worse. They’ll be too busy making something for the US market. Right now we just need to wait for the panic to subside then manufacturers can catch up and start looking at projects like this. If there is a full ban on AR-15s they’ll have even more panic from people looking for replacements. This project could work perfectly for them too but buyers will create a huge vacuum for these and we won’t see any for us for years.
 
Shorerider said:
I think that makes it worse. They’ll be too busy making something for the US market. Right now we just need to wait for the panic to subside then manufacturers can catch up and start looking at projects like this. If there is a full ban on AR-15s they’ll have even more panic from people looking for replacements. This project could work perfectly for them too but buyers will create a huge vacuum for these and we won’t see any for us for years.
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Imagine a world where we have now gone full circle and Americans start relying on us to export what little Semi-autos we have (180's).
 
45C said:
Biden ain't gonna ban sh!t!! Lol

He barely got voted in.
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Word. I'm seeing tons of lefties who are mad about this. He can't protect them from crime. He can't protect them from the police. He can't protect them from psycho righties. He can't even protect himself. Has done ####-all so far for mental health and the economy.

There's good reason why he said "I ask congress" ... So when it inevitably fails he can blame someone else.
 
Merk506 said:
No reason for this project to not go ahead now considering they want to ban ar 15s in united states.
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Biden's plan isn't a total ban; It's more or less equivalent to making them all behave like restricted firearms in Canada (registered, permission to transport, storage rules), it is also likely to get challenged in court and have millions of people protest it, and the next Republican will repeal it for sure.

If you're US law savy his plan is basically make "assault weapons" all NFA items meaning registry and a 200$ tax.

Biden Ban or not there will still be legally acquirable AR15's made and bought in the Unites States, what is absolutely up in the air is the future of similar rifles in Canada.
 
Shorerider said:
You used logic in your statement. The government has proven time and time again that they don’t use logic. I’m sure they’d be more than happy to let thousands of these be sold all across the country then ban them with the stroke of a pen.
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While the Liberals are greasy enough to let something like that happen, they have already bitten off alot with the May 1st OIC. Between the ####storm of protests, legal battles and loosing rural ridings that the OIC caused I don't think they are very willing to expand the scope of their gun bans.

Consider right now they are in a disastrous state trying to spend billions of dollars to get a country with a lower population than California vaccinated before September and the potential for an early election.

I think the downplay of the gun ban in Bill Blair's most recent mandate letter shows they have way bigger priorities than banning more rifles.

Keep up faith, don't give up or give in, and pray PWS gets us some awesome 180s by years end!
 
So are these the pictures of the lower we are all looking for?

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Source: https://www.nodakspud.com/NDS-18S.htm
 
ChickenOmelette said:
I was hoping we'd have better pics by now so I was googling hard. Oh well. At the least the one in white looks better than the one on the site.
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Personally I prefer the shorter/smoother rear end of the receiver. Thats one thing Ive never liked about the 180 and 180b is just how blocky the lower is, Can be quiet uncomfortable .
 
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