The present trend of ultra long range hunting/shooting

I believe I said 7.5 inches at 500 yards with a margin for error... the error being the kill zone in a deer size animal is 10 inches....the 500 yards came from another poster claiming to be more accurate off hand at 50 than someone from a rest at 500.
anyways enough said... you hunt your way and enjoy the experience and I'll hunt my way and enjoy the experience.... who's to say who actually gets more frill and pleasure.
Why knock an alternate hunting strategy....Guys with an elitist attitude seem to believe their opinion is the only one that matters.
cheers and happy hunting!

Nowhere did I say long range hunting should be illegal or banned, it's just an internet forum discussion with varying opinions, which is basically what all posts on this website are. ;)
 
.the 500 yards came from another poster claiming to be more accurate off hand at 50 than someone from a rest at 500.

Could you kindly show me where that claim was posted,I read through the entire thread and couldn't find any such claim. However, I myself did post a challenge where I was willing to put up $500 in a shooting competition, where I would shoot a 4" target from 50 yards from a field position, and my competition would shoot the same 4" target from 500 yards from a field position.
 
Could you kindly show me where that claim was posted,I read through the entire thread and couldn't find any such claim. However, I myself did post a challenge where I was willing to put up $500 in a shooting competition, where I would shoot a 4" target from 50 yards from a field position, and my competition would shoot the same 4" target from 500 yards from a field position.

Yep, your correct in the challenge that you posted (miss read the intent) ... however, I believe the other side of the story was that I said, I've seen more shots missed off hand at 100 yards than at 500 with a good solid rest. It wasn't a challenge, just a personal observation. Nothing like stacking the deck to be one sided and pointless in a challenge!
cheers
 
I've seen more shots missed off hand at 100 yards than at 500 with a good solid rest.

I have seen more shots missed at 200 yards or more, than I have seen missed at 50 yards. Some people miss more shots than they make at 400 yards or more,off of a rest at the range, yet they don't hesitate to take a 400 yard shot at a game animal.


Nothing like stacking the deck to be one sided and pointless in a challenge!

Not at all pointless, the point being that the longer the range that you shoot, the less your odds of successfully making the shot.
Some people are more than willing to argue a point , but when it comes time to put up their money for the opportunity to prove their point, their attitude often changes.


There is no doubt that a person should set their limits based on their own abilities and equipment, whether that be 200 yards or 600 yards, but when a person posts about missing the first shot almost every time, and then correcting for the next shot, based on the first miss, that is way beyond reasonable. Of course something can always go wrong, whether it be a 100 yard shot or a 600 yards shot, but if you aren't 90+% sure that the first shot will be in the kill zone then don't shoot.
 
Not at all pointless, the point being that the longer the range that you shoot, the less your odds of successfully making the shot.
Some people are more than willing to argue a point , but when it comes time to put up their money for the opportunity to prove their point, their attitude often changes.

The point being that my personal observation was that more shots are missed off hand at 100 yards than at 500 with proper equipment and a solid rest.... some people are more than willing to change the criteria of a standard to suite their argument.
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some people are more than willing to change the criteria of a standard to suite their argument.

My challenge stands just as I first posted it, it was you that misread it and then twisted it in your posts.




I thought you said it was offhand at 50 yards?

And the answer is:

some people are more than willing to change the criteria of a standard to suite their argument.
 
i don't like it, there is a lot that can go wrong in those 2-3 seconds the bullet is flying. if i got the chance i cant say i wouldn't like to try it as that is a remarkable feat to hit a animal with a bang flop at 800 yards.

what i don't like are guys going just for the trophy, always screams to me that they are wasting the meat, as i have seen several shows where they are just packing out the head and antlers of a moose. what happened to the other 300lbs of meat ?
 
i don't like it, there is a lot that can go wrong in those 2-3 seconds the bullet is flying. if i got the chance i cant say i wouldn't like to try it as that is a remarkable feat to hit a animal with a bang flop at 800 yards.

what i don't like are guys going just for the trophy, always screams to me that they are wasting the meat, as i have seen several shows where they are just packing out the head and antlers of a moose. what happened to the other 300lbs of meat ?

Wasting meat is an offence nearly everywhere. I can assure you that even though you may not see them packing out the meat, it's being utilized. Most viewers don't marvel at a moose quarter strapped to a pack, however the antlers are a sight to behold. To say trophy hunters waste meat is ridiculous.
 
AAHHH rral22.....there you are, I've been waiting for you're post critisizing me. In direct response to your question, I did not advocate this, I said I have used it, but that was before the glut of accurate rangefinders and adjustable scopes that we have today. That was 20-25 years ago but it was very effective and I also did not advocate "walking the shot" onto the animal, what I said was the first shot was held for a kill shot and then the miss, as it always was, is used to dope the wind and distance for a killing second shot. Hardly "walking the shot" onto the animal, my old sheep hunting partner and I have made several 2nd shot clean kills this way. But I'm not talking 1000 mtrs I believe the longest shot was made by my buddy at an estmated 700-750 mtrs. I believe my personal longest is about 600 mtrs. Using this method the actual distance isn't important as you, as the spotter, just tell the shooter where to hold to correct the shot. It is very effective within moderately longish ranges out to say 700-800 mtrs.

Well, then I expect you are thinking about me more than is healthy.

I'm a much simpler man, I guess. If I can't make the shot then I don't shoot. The "artillery" approach to hunting just doesn't seem like hunting to me.
 
Apparently you still don't get it. I made the challenge in it's original form to make a point, the point being that the odds were heavily in my favor,due to the great difference in the ranges that we would be shooting.But since I made that challenge, I will obviously stand by it, as I originally posted it. So either you can accept my challenge as I originally posted it, or you can back down, your choice.

stubblejumper; I will have to turn this down, I've made some dumb bets in my life but this one is just a little TOO lopsided even for me. Seeing as how you are not interested in changing to a slightly more fair scenario, I will have to say "no thanks".
On the more serious side though, I agree that of course one shooting at 50 mtrs from any position is most assuredly going to outshoot someone at 500 mtrs regardless of field position. I think anyone on here that has done any longrange grouping also knows that group size to distance is not a linear relationship.
 
Well, then I expect you are thinking about me more than is healthy.
I'm a much simpler man, I guess. If I can't make the shot then I don't shoot. The "artillery" approach to hunting just doesn't seem like hunting to me.

Good one, I walked into that, didn't I.

Regarding the rest I see we'll just have to agree to disagree as usual. I am finding it much easier these last few years to walk away from a longish or iffy shot and risk coming home empty handed, it just isn't that important any more and it's a whole lot less work. The irresistable push to "tag out" every year just ain't as irresistable any more, or as an old buddy of mine in Texas says, "I just ain't near as mad at them deer as I used to be"
I sure wish we had 200 lb moose though, it would make hunting fun again and much less of an ordeal. I'm definately getting too old for packing moose quarters.

PS
I've also decided to dial back and mellow my postings on CGN as well, after all, we're all "brothers in arms" right?
 
My challenge stands just as I first posted it, it was you that misread it and then twisted it in your posts.







And the answer is:

If you re-read my orginal post on this matter (#116) you will see that I used the words 100 yards and not the 50 yards that you brought into this dicussion.
 
If you re-read my orginal post on this matter (#116) you will see that I used the words 100 yards and not the 50 yards that you brought into this dicussion.

Yep that is very true, but I still don't think I can outshoot you with us both prone even if you're shooting 100 yds instead of 50. I know I can certainly guarantee 10 in a 4" circle over my pack at 100 yds and assume you could do the same, not so at 500 yds maybe 3-5 would be my best I think.
 
If you re-read my orginal post on this matter (#116) you will see that I used the words 100 yards and not the 50 yards that you brought into this dicussion.

Actually there is no mention of 100 yards in post #116, but fifty yards was introduced into the thread in post #116, even though it wasn't your post.
 
Yep that is very true, but I still don't think I can outshoot you with us both prone even if you're shooting 100 yds instead of 50. I know I can certainly guarantee 10 in a 4" circle over my pack at 100 yds and assume you could do the same, not so at 500 yds maybe 3-5 would be my best I think.

c-fbmi, you misunderstood my post...what I was referring to was that I said, in my personal observation, I've seen more shots missed off hand at less than 100 yards, than shots taken from a solid rest with a proper rifle in calm air at 400 yards.... the 4' circle at 50 and 500 was stumlejumpers entry to the discussion.
 
Jesus H christ... I wondered why I haven't posted here in a while and then I see this thread.... If you see an animal while you are hunting and you think pulling the trigger will make it die quick and fill the freezer you take the shot.... If you feel there is a risk the animal will be wounded and get away you don't.... simple... I also think some of the people in this thread need to actually try and make a shot at the distances they are willing to shoot at then get back to us with the results.... seriously....
 
I sure wish we had 200 lb moose though, it would make hunting fun again and much less of an ordeal. I'm definately getting too old for packing moose quarters.

Don't know for sure if I posted this before, but my brother-in-law one time while we stood looking at a dead moose in a very ugly place said, "Nothing ruins a moose hunt quite as much as actually shooting one."
 
The problem with these hunting shows featuring long range shots is that unskilled hunters/shooters convince themselves that they can replicate these long range shots with the right tools. In shooting as in all sports, one's success is influenced by the four "Ts" rule: the four variables affecting performance are training, technique, talent and tools. Of the four, "talent" is something that one is born with; "technique" and "training" require time and effort; and "tools" is the only one that requires only deep pockets as opposed to time and effort. Unless of course you make your own tools; in which case you have a lot of talent.
 
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