The reality of the new Magnums!

Gatehouse said:
I've met them both too, Doug.

The internet is a wild and crazy place, it's pretty funny to see internet persona vs real life person. It can be hard to know who is really a tough guy and who is a poser on the big ol intraweb...:D
















For the record, I am far cooler, tougher and better looking on the ol WWW than I am in person.;)
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I know I can outrun you Gatehouse... as long as your not armed.:runaway: ;)
I think you should come out Turkey hunting this spring and bring Phib with you. Maybe he woud chill out if he shot a big Tom....:)
 
Amphibious said:
what a heap of bulls**t :D twist what words? those are direct and accurate quotes. you started now you cry "oh he's out to get me with personal attacks" yes Bighead, every one is out to get you. if anyone calls you wrong they are obviously ignorant and attacking you personally. "everyone knows" remember what assumption makes?

go have a look at those quotes and tell me this game isn't being ref'd a little one sidedly.
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here ya go...right from the rules... I didn't make the rules Phib... but I do try and live by them... most of the time.;)
#3 Personal insults are not permitted. Do not say anything on CGN that you would not say in person.
#11 “Trouble maker”/"idiot"/"troll" ban. Those members who are nominated by 5 moderators for insisting on posting to instigate others or who show downright lack of maturity or intelligence will receive a 2 week time out. If the member does not learn from the time out, a permanent ban may be implemented.
 
Sorry guys, I have a lot of trouble handling heavy stuff, and I do NOT look for heavy stuff on Gun Nutz.........

........so I guess I gotta go ban myself from this thread so I don't get all worked up about good guys playing chicken.

Colin, you are not being the kind of person you are capable of. That is not one-sided ref'ing that is just reality buddy. I love ya, man

Doug out of here and not coming back to this thread, have a nice life people.

Doug
 
See... this is what always happen... a thread gets going really good... lots of back and forth and different opinions. And then a troll posts a big crap of derogatory nonsense and the thread goes sideways. Guys get sick of hearing the bull#### and go elsewhere.

I don't make a point of crapping on other threads just to #### them up...
If I don't like the thread, the thread starter or the direction it's going.... I just don't post on it.
If I don't like a member I just put him on my ignore list...
 
back to what the thread is supposed to be about
yes I know that the 300wm is a faster hotter cartrige
but
I shoot a 300wsm and here are my reasons (and I believe they are good reasons)
1. I wanted a light gun for backpacking (short action, short barrel)
2. I wanted a caliber that I could kill deer to moose and bears(.308)
3. I wanted a rifle I could shoot lots and enjoy,less recoil? maybe (wsm)
4. I wanted a rifle that could reach above and beyond 500 yards easy (last yote was 534 yards)(magnum?)
5. I like the NEW stuff if its reasonable (and im not a newbie to hunting )
It was said in a earlier post that not all hunters are shooters but it can be turned around also I have seen people who are shooters need a solid rest and a perfect situation in order to make a shot. Just an example my ram this year I needed to rest on a dead limb of a bush in a semi squated position and shoot 330-340 yards down a mountain. I consider this a tough shot and not just any SHOOTER would be able to make that shot but a true hunter that has paid his dues Is capable of the shot

If you dont like to handle recoil than go to a non mag but my gun that i shoot serves the purpose that I want and meets the criteria that i need
I LOVE MY 300WSM
 
Here, i will do this first, so you don't have one of the "Anti New Crowd nail you ....:p


daniellybbert said:
I shoot a 300wsm and here are my reasons (and I believe they are good reasons)

1. I wanted a light gun for backpacking (short action, short barrel)
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The rifle is marginally shorter/lighter than a standard action, but not alot to get worked up about - int he same rifle.

2. I wanted a caliber that I could kill deer to moose and bears(.308)
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300WSM will do that just fine, but there are lots of cartridges that will do it, too, down to the 7x57 (easy) and maybe some below- (not my reccomendatipon;) )
3. I wanted a rifle I could shoot lots and enjoy,less recoil? maybe (wsm)
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300WSm recoils marginally less than a 300WM- int hte same rifle- However, my 300WSM has noticible FELT recoil ALOT less than my Stevens 30-06. But basically if you cannot handle 300WM recoil in a Remingotn, don't buy a 300WSM in a Remington and expect a big change

4. I wanted a rifle that could reach above and beyond 500 yards easy (last yote was 534 yards)(magnum?)
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More to do with shooting ability than carridge, but without a doubt, the magnums make it easier if you have the skills.

5. I like the NEW stuff if its reasonable (and im not a newbie to hunting )
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Completely FINE and GOOD. Shoot what YOU like. Telling a 300WSm fan that he "fell for a marketing craze" is the same thing as telling a .270 fan that he "Fell for O'Connors Bull####"



I LOVE MY 300WSM
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I love mine too....although not the most expensive one I have owned, it's the best gun I have ever owned.
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gatehouse you are right, and I do own a lot of none mag cals also but my 300wsm will also do what all my other calibers will do also, 308,2506,etc
I just feel more confident and happier carrying it
 
daniellybbert said:
gatehouse you are right, and I do own a lot of none mag cals also but my 300wsm will also do what all my other calibers will do also, 308,2506,etc
I just feel more confident and happier carrying it
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Confidence in a firearm is everything, IMHO!
If you are not happy carrying a particular rifle, it is time to get rid of it and get one that you are happy with.
I have sold some very good shooters for that very reason.
Afterall, we are sopposed to have fun when we hunt, and if you are not happy or confident with the rifle you are carrying , what is the use?
Cat
 
What a thread.
The new WSM cartridges ARE loaded to higher pressures. It is NOT a change from CUP to PSI which makes the difference. Blown primers are blown primers. Only pressure does that. The 300 WSM is loaded hot to achieve over 2900fps with 180s. The 300 Win Mag is loaded mild to do the same thing. That's just the way it is.
All of the belted magnums have been loaded to lower and lower levels over the years. I wouldn't be surprised to see the same thing happen with the WSMs in the future. When factory ammunition is too hot for some rifles, the manufacturer is likely to back off.
The same sort of thing happened with the 308 Norma back in the day. When it was introduced, Norma claimed 3100 fps with 180's. They got it too. In fact, factory ammunition often chronographed at up to 3150. Great performance but the brass was often not reloadable since the primer pockets were loose from the intial firing. I see the same thing from the WSM. Good performance but too hot in some rifles.
I don't really have anything against the WSM lineup though I doubt I'll ever own one. But it is true, the WSM really does duplicate the performance of the 300H&H so I have some difficulty seeing it as a great advance.
Nothing wrong with using one though; just don't think you are going to be able to do anything more than Grandpa did with that 300H&H.
I shoot a 308 Norma. Do I use it because it's better than all the other .30's? Nope. I use it because I always kind of liked the cartridge. Perhaps I bought into Norma's advertising back in the '60's. So I can't fault guys for buying into Winchester's today. I might still poke a little fun at WSM owners though. I just have to. Regards, Bill.
 
Well Bill I have the utmost respect for your opinion and I certainly am not arguing your position.
I would just like to add that when I spoke about CUP vs PSI I was being completely factual and talking only about the correlation between PSI and CUP regarding chamber pressure. The Math for this correlation has been used for some time and I am convinced that it is correct.
As you say some WSM factory loads are loaded very hot and I have had some Winchester factory loads that would make the bolt handle stiff for sure.
I have loaded up to Max Load with a 270WSM and a 300WSM with faster powders and experienced the same thing.
My reloading experience is limited compared to yours but blown primers are something I have not witnessed any more with a WSM factory load or Reload than I have with standard cartridges loaded hot.
I have worked the math looking at the correlation between the two measuring systems and I stand by my comments about the differences. I am sure that the differences between WSM's and the the standard and belted versions are minimal when you correlate the pressures using a proven formula.
Here is a summary of the correlation of PSI and CUP... I am sure you have seen before.:cool:
http://www.shootingsoftware.com/ftp/psicuparticle2.pdf
 
Leeper said:
What a thread.
The new WSM cartridges ARE loaded to higher pressures. It is NOT a change from CUP to PSI which makes the difference. Blown primers are blown primers. Only pressure does that. The 300 WSM is loaded hot to achieve over 2900fps with 180s. The 300 Win Mag is loaded mild to do the same thing. That's just the way it is.
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So you gotta load hot in the WSM to achieve velocitys the 300 Wim Mag gets loaded mild.

Does loading hot = throat errosion and shortened barrel life?(asking because I dont know).

I was thinking of getting a 7mmWSM but if loading hot to get 7mmRem Mag mild loaded velocities will cause throat errosion and shorter barrel life I will probably go 7mmRem Mag.

If someone could answer this it would really help.
 
for everyone's information, SAMMI had similar problems with the 243 Winchester when it was being developed.
European ammo is loaded much hotter than North American stuff today.
I remember talking to my father about it quite a few years ago, and thee 243 was a real buuggaboo for North American manuufacturers at the time....
Cat
 
I may off a bit on this thread with my comments but I had to skip a few pages due to some whining that was going on so please bear with me...

I have shot and or hunted and killed big game with a 22-250, 243, 6mm-284, 270 Weatherby, 280 Remington, 30-06, 308 Norma Mag, 300 Win Mag, 375H&H, 45-70 and I now also use and prefer to use a 300 Rem Ultra Mag with 180gr Scirroco's @ 3380fps and 200gr Swift A-Frames @ 3200fps and a 375 Remington Ultra Mag with 260gr Accubonds @ 3020fps and 300gr Partitions @ 2750fps...

Why do I prefer to use my/these Remington Ultra Mag overbore cartridges because I can shoot them properly and use them to their potential...

Can I do most of the hunting that I do with lesser firearms?

Yes but I don't have too for the same reason I drive a Ford diesel 4X4 pickup rather than a 4 cylinder Toyota... Both will get the job done it's just that one will do it a lot better/easier/and more efficiently...
 
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