ILoveBigRacks
Regular
- Location
- Beaumont, AB
I wouldn't be looking to embarrass the mountie, but rather the system itself. Chances are he'd just be following orders.
this is bullsh**
- Thread starter grizzly416
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I wouldn't be looking to embarrass the mountie, but rather the system itself. Chances are he'd just be following orders.
Several have suggested getting the media involved.
The media are four square behind the Natives. When all the granola eating, tree hugging gun haters get through writing letters, you will be painted as the criminal who is taking away the very food the poor, downtrodden Natives need to live on.
For the last, at least three years, the following notice has been printed in the BC game regulation synopsis. BC hunters should have raised merry old hell, the first time it appeared, and demanded our right to legally hunt anywhere it is legal to do so.
BC hunters seem to ignore it is even there, until something happens.
I printed this in the threads here some time ago, hoping to get something going, but no one seemed to care. The "I don't plan on hunting up north, why should I get involved," seems to be the attitude?
The BC Wildlife Federation is our only hope. But the vast percentage of hunters couldn't seem to care less, and won't even join the Federation.
But they scream like hell when they get stopped from hunting.
The Dease Lake Natives are different bands than what the notice in the regulations is about, but it is the same idea.
Losing our hunting rights on crown land, due to the Natives, is by far, the worst threat facing BC hunters. As a point of interest, our provincial government has completely let us down, on hunting as well as salmon fishing. The sad part is before he was first elected he, Premier Gordon Campbell, used to appear at the BC Wildlife Federation meetings, promising to save us and protect our rights!
The media are four square behind the Natives. When all the granola eating, tree hugging gun haters get through writing letters, you will be painted as the criminal who is taking away the very food the poor, downtrodden Natives need to live on.
For the last, at least three years, the following notice has been printed in the BC game regulation synopsis. BC hunters should have raised merry old hell, the first time it appeared, and demanded our right to legally hunt anywhere it is legal to do so.
BC hunters seem to ignore it is even there, until something happens.
I printed this in the threads here some time ago, hoping to get something going, but no one seemed to care. The "I don't plan on hunting up north, why should I get involved," seems to be the attitude?
The BC Wildlife Federation is our only hope. But the vast percentage of hunters couldn't seem to care less, and won't even join the Federation.
But they scream like hell when they get stopped from hunting.
The Dease Lake Natives are different bands than what the notice in the regulations is about, but it is the same idea.
Losing our hunting rights on crown land, due to the Natives, is by far, the worst threat facing BC hunters. As a point of interest, our provincial government has completely let us down, on hunting as well as salmon fishing. The sad part is before he was first elected he, Premier Gordon Campbell, used to appear at the BC Wildlife Federation meetings, promising to save us and protect our rights!
- Location
- Eastern Edge of the Foothills
So they're likely carrying firearms as well. You pull out your gun and chamber a round. They do the same. You're not going to scare them by doing this. You'll have to shoot someone. Once you choot someone, one of them will shoot at you. Are you really going to kill another person, and then get involved in a firefight for this? If you are then great. I look forward to reading about it in the papers. Just make sure you get at least 2 of them before they get you.
Actually it was in Westport ,southern Ontario. The locals thru the poachers off the bridge and into the water when they were fishing in a protected area.It seems everybody has ther own agenda and ideas regarding fish and wildlife.We as hunters and fishermen can defend our ideas and actions and the poachers use whatever they can to justify their actions.
My question is who the HELL will speak and standup for the
fish and wildlife. When we act against poachers it is not an act of racism.
- Location
- Niagara Region, Ontario. For now
The shotgun would be a last resort my freind. Im not saying the first thing I would do is start swinging my shotgun in their faces. If they approached me I would try to talk it out but I would not just turn tail and run. I would explain that I'm not going anywhere. I would let them know that I don't want any problems but if they threatened me with violence, or physically assualted me then thats where we have a problem. I don't think that these guys want to get shot either and just like most thugs they will not put their own safety on the line. I have run into this situation more than once with various groups of hoodlums, and they are not looking to actually fight you. If you make it clear that they are going to have to they usually will give up and find an easier target.
bearkilr
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Nowhere, ......just past the middle
I agree with your statement, but you're wrong here....thankfully.
If every Treaty Indian exercised their hunting rights, we'd be out of wild animals in Canada. If they were allowed to sell wild meat, we'd have run out years ago.
as much as i wanted to stand up when they came around the second (it might have been a good thing i am stuborn)time i was hunting and the rest of the crew was already packing when i got back .and standing up to 14 armed guys buyurself is easyer said than done i am embarresd because back home i would never bakdown from that #### .but having a reserve 20 minites away rely puts there numbers high i am going back next year hell or high water beter prepared to deal with such problems with my own small tribe
ILoveBigRacks
Regular
- Location
- Beaumont, AB
LOL!! He's not wrong unfortunately. You're confusing what they're "allowed to do" with what they "actually do". Sockeye salmon fishery on the Fraser River in BC has long been a food fishery only for natives and yet, amazingly enough, you can walk down to many a dock and buy sockeye right off the boats from native fishermen (I use this term VERY loosely). NOTHING gets done about it. Sports fishermen get shut out first off from the fishery while the natives can net pretty much all they want and sell them at the shore - WTF???
bearkilr
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Nowhere, ......just past the middle
Yes, you're correct. But that's only in regard to fish in certain areas, not animals. They can't legally sell meat of wild animals anywhere in Canada, my understanding.
I'm not confused. If it was legal for them to sell wild meat, we'd be out of animals.
BTW, you're preaching to the choir.
A friend of mine ran into a problem like this took a old beater of a truck for hunting put a sign in the window stating a trailcam was monitering the truck. They trashed the truck anyways but he did have a cam up, the next time those natives came to town they were charged with vandalisim. Since then my friend has hunted the same land with no problems. Ie they won't go in to investigate but if you have proof they are (obligated to react).
- Location
- West coast of Vancouver Island
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lets pretend my house is canada,i have three young kids ,ill give two kids the same law,the third can do whatever he wants ,how do you think this will play out?no animosity here??im sick to death of the poor me attitude of the natives,we all live in canada we all should share the same law..........period..if there was injustice in the past that can be sorted out in court.......the injustices happened three generations ago time to move on........
Ah, but now they have "inherited trauma" to suck more money out of us with (I am not kidding). - dan
Pursue your MLA, local (rural) media, complain to the superiors (in writing) of the local RCMP detachment; same goes for the D.N.R. . I'd say your s.o.l. for hunting in that area until your story of 'assault' & inaction gets told to the public. Squeaky wheel may get the grease, but I doubt it enlight of how most of these situations get stick handled by politicians & authorities as of late. Campaigning or supporting the election of politicians with a pair, who will put a stop to this, is imo, the only way to stop 30 + years of bleeding hearts...
Oh man,
Let me get this straight: the OP was hunting on crown land when some natives showed up and said (essentially) "Get the hell off OUR land, or there will be trouble"? And on top of that, after being threatened, our RCMP, an institute that is supposed to uphold the law of the People, just did nothing?
Stuff like this infuriates me on every level. There is an unwritten "double standard" when it comes to law, and that is unacceptable. Unfortunately, the only way to do this is to create a huge scene about it. The good news? IT CAN BE DONE!
Guys, remember a few months back with those knucklehead poachers driving around shooting the ducks? They were random internet guys. No-names. And yet everyone on CGN was outraged, and we did something. The guys got caught, sentenced, and that was with unkown identities. Here we know who are causing the issues, which should make this much easier. Something CAN be done. We've done it before.
In my opinion, the best way to handle this is the same as we did before. Start emailing and writing letters to all the people of interest whom are involved. Email the head of the RCMP, the local detatchment, the local news, the local fish and game, BCWF, the CBC, your friends, the Chief of that particular band, let them know what is happening.
On top of that, to the OP or whomever else has had issues, file a police report. Just do it. Get it on record, and ask for a copy for yourself. Better yet, go out to that bit of crown land with a few of your buddies, and get threatened again. Record/video it if you can. Be Cool Hand Luke, don't get billigerant, just document it, then file police reports again. Get documentation that the RCMP refuse to touch these things. And once you have recorded attempts by multiple parties of people breaking the law, you asking for something to be done. And if nothing is done, all us sportsmen and John Q Public can again start bombarding all the "important" people in the matter asking why is nothing being done. You can pass on the hard copies of the reports and video to the media. That should get the ball rolling.
This stuff annoys me greatly. I'm all fine with natives having their own lands, good for them. But when they (or anyone for that matter) overstep and start threatening people and nothing gets done, AND the institute who is supposed to enforce the law, the law that ALL Canadians have agreed to give up our freedoms to follow, turns tail and runs.... This is a shameful thing to happen, and needs to be addressed.
We have done it before guys. Lets not sit idle on this one either.
Let me get this straight: the OP was hunting on crown land when some natives showed up and said (essentially) "Get the hell off OUR land, or there will be trouble"? And on top of that, after being threatened, our RCMP, an institute that is supposed to uphold the law of the People, just did nothing?
Stuff like this infuriates me on every level. There is an unwritten "double standard" when it comes to law, and that is unacceptable. Unfortunately, the only way to do this is to create a huge scene about it. The good news? IT CAN BE DONE!
Guys, remember a few months back with those knucklehead poachers driving around shooting the ducks? They were random internet guys. No-names. And yet everyone on CGN was outraged, and we did something. The guys got caught, sentenced, and that was with unkown identities. Here we know who are causing the issues, which should make this much easier. Something CAN be done. We've done it before.
In my opinion, the best way to handle this is the same as we did before. Start emailing and writing letters to all the people of interest whom are involved. Email the head of the RCMP, the local detatchment, the local news, the local fish and game, BCWF, the CBC, your friends, the Chief of that particular band, let them know what is happening.
On top of that, to the OP or whomever else has had issues, file a police report. Just do it. Get it on record, and ask for a copy for yourself. Better yet, go out to that bit of crown land with a few of your buddies, and get threatened again. Record/video it if you can. Be Cool Hand Luke, don't get billigerant, just document it, then file police reports again. Get documentation that the RCMP refuse to touch these things. And once you have recorded attempts by multiple parties of people breaking the law, you asking for something to be done. And if nothing is done, all us sportsmen and John Q Public can again start bombarding all the "important" people in the matter asking why is nothing being done. You can pass on the hard copies of the reports and video to the media. That should get the ball rolling.
This stuff annoys me greatly. I'm all fine with natives having their own lands, good for them. But when they (or anyone for that matter) overstep and start threatening people and nothing gets done, AND the institute who is supposed to enforce the law, the law that ALL Canadians have agreed to give up our freedoms to follow, turns tail and runs.... This is a shameful thing to happen, and needs to be addressed.
We have done it before guys. Lets not sit idle on this one either.
Hansol, with this statement, you indicate about the same degree of knowledge about the native situation, as I might exhibit about how to build an atomic bomb.
"Guys, remember a few months back with those knucklehead poachers driving around shooting the ducks? They were random internet guys. No-names. And yet everyone on CGN was outraged, and we did something. They guys got caught, sentenced, and that was with unkown identities. Here we know who are causing the issues, which should make this much easier. Something CAN be done. We've done it before.
In my opinion, the best way to handle this is the same as we did before. Start emailing and writing letters to all the people of interest whom are involved. Email the head of the RCMP, the local detatchment, the local news, the local fish and game, BCWF, the CBC, your friends, the Chief of that particular band, let them know what is happening."
Of all the parties you say to contact, the only ones who are sympathetic are the local fish and game and the BC Wildlife Federation.
All the rest stand four square behind the natives.
If you really want to start a bees nest going and open a large can of worms, just tell your story to the news media! Your story will get twisted to where we are all told how "we" stole the natives country and now you are complaining because the poor impoverished natives wouldn't let you take the game they require to live on. What the newspaper can't think of, the letters written by granola eating, tree huggers certainly will.
The BCWF is well aware of the situation. They are the ONLY organized body in BC that is fighting for us on this. The strongest foe they have to fight against is our own BC government.
The BCWF is doing an excellent job, wisely using what resources they have, but they are hopelessly short of finances. Still, the vast majority of BC hunters will not even pay a membership fee to the BCWF, or their local club, which is almost certainly affiliated with the federation.
You want to do something useful? Get after the BC hunters to get involved. If 50% of the BC hunters joined their local fish and game club, we would have an excellent chance of achieving good results.
"Guys, remember a few months back with those knucklehead poachers driving around shooting the ducks? They were random internet guys. No-names. And yet everyone on CGN was outraged, and we did something. They guys got caught, sentenced, and that was with unkown identities. Here we know who are causing the issues, which should make this much easier. Something CAN be done. We've done it before.
In my opinion, the best way to handle this is the same as we did before. Start emailing and writing letters to all the people of interest whom are involved. Email the head of the RCMP, the local detatchment, the local news, the local fish and game, BCWF, the CBC, your friends, the Chief of that particular band, let them know what is happening."
Of all the parties you say to contact, the only ones who are sympathetic are the local fish and game and the BC Wildlife Federation.
All the rest stand four square behind the natives.
If you really want to start a bees nest going and open a large can of worms, just tell your story to the news media! Your story will get twisted to where we are all told how "we" stole the natives country and now you are complaining because the poor impoverished natives wouldn't let you take the game they require to live on. What the newspaper can't think of, the letters written by granola eating, tree huggers certainly will.
The BCWF is well aware of the situation. They are the ONLY organized body in BC that is fighting for us on this. The strongest foe they have to fight against is our own BC government.
The BCWF is doing an excellent job, wisely using what resources they have, but they are hopelessly short of finances. Still, the vast majority of BC hunters will not even pay a membership fee to the BCWF, or their local club, which is almost certainly affiliated with the federation.
You want to do something useful? Get after the BC hunters to get involved. If 50% of the BC hunters joined their local fish and game club, we would have an excellent chance of achieving good results.
