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what classification ? it will be restricted if its the sample you showed us all at shot show last year.
Have there been changes since that sample from last year?
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I absolutely fail to see the upside of a pump-action in the AR platform, all calibers included.

I'm all ears and eyes to be showed differently though, but it sure seems to be a solution to a problem that does not exist.
 
badboybeeson said:
what classification ? it will be restricted if its the sample you showed us all at shot show last year.
Have there been changes since that sample from last year?
bbb


Lower/upper do not interchange with a AR pattern carbine, completely new bolt carrier group unique to the PAR, the magazine is purposely designed for the export PAR & will nor accept AR15 pattern magazines...

gadget
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gadget said:
badboybeeson said:
what classification ? it will be restricted if its the sample you showed us all at shot show last year.
Have there been changes since that sample from last year?
bbb


Lower/upper do not interchange with a AR pattern carbine, completely new bolt carrier group unique to the PAR, the magazine is purposely designed for the export PAR & will nor accept AR15 pattern magazines...

gadget
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very good, your friends down under will love it then!
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BenL said:
I absolutely fail to see the upside of a pump-action in the AR platform, all calibers included.

I'm all ears and eyes to be showed differently though, but it sure seems to be a solution to a problem that does not exist.
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It's designed for states that do not allow a semi-auto AR rifle (i.e New York).

The benefit it will have here is no mag capacity limits as it's a pump action and the mags are proprietary.
 
gadget said:
badboybeeson said:
what classification ? it will be restricted if its the sample you showed us all at shot show last year.
Have there been changes since that sample from last year?
bbb


Lower/upper do not interchange with a AR pattern carbine, completely new bolt carrier group unique to the PAR, the magazine is purposely designed for the export PAR & will nor accept AR15 pattern magazines...

gadget
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Very cool indeed!
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BooSSted said:
It's designed for states that do not allow a semi-auto AR rifle (i.e New York).

The benefit it will have here is no mag capacity limits as it's a pump action and the mags are proprietary.
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Yes I know the reason behind it, but I still fail to see the advantages of it.

It's not for precision or accuracy shooting, clearly, as cycling the action will require resetting your position.

It's ridiculously slower to operate a pump-action than any semi-auto will ever function, so I can't see a shooter honing his skills on that platform doing drills as he could on a semi-auto.

The mags are proprietary, so they can't be used in any other rifle. Last I check, that doesn't usually end well for the consumer's wallet.

My humble opinion, of course.
 
BenL said:
Yes I know the reason behind it, but I still fail to see the advantages of it.

It's not for precision or accuracy shooting, clearly, as cycling the action will require resetting your position.

It's ridiculously slower to operate a pump-action than any semi-auto will ever function, so I can't see a shooter honing his skills on that platform doing drills as he could on a semi-auto.

The mags are proprietary, so they can't be used in any other rifle. Last I check, that doesn't usually end well for the consumer's wallet.

My humble opinion, of course.
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Pump action + proprietary mag + not compatible with AR upper/lower SHOULD mean:

- Non-Restricted

- Unlimited magazine capacity

- short barrels allowed


Now I still think the process of getting the NR status is gonna be dicey as they'll have to prove it wasn't 'based' on the AR platform... but it should make a really nice coyote/brush gun if it gets the NR tag!
 
BenL said:
Yes I know the reason behind it, but I still fail to see the advantages of it.

It's not for precision or accuracy shooting, clearly, as cycling the action will require resetting your position.

It's ridiculously slower to operate a pump-action than any semi-auto will ever function, so I can't see a shooter honing his skills on that platform doing drills as he could on a semi-auto.

The mags are proprietary, so they can't be used in any other rifle. Last I check, that doesn't usually end well for the consumer's wallet.

My humble opinion, of course.
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So by your ideology, no one should own a pump action shotgun either...

If these come out as non-restricted with 30+ round mags, vendors won't be able to keep them on the shelves.
 
BooSSted said:
So by your ideology, no one should own a pump action shotgun either...

If these come out as non-restricted with 30+ round mags, vendors won't be able to keep them on the shelves.
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Go back and read my 1st post in this thread - I don't think I could have been any clearer when I said "pump-action in the AR platform"??

Your comparison to a pump-action shotgun is comparing apple to oranges.

Can you tell me in which situation(s) these would have the advantage over the semi-auto AR (or really, any other semi-auto black rifle, restricted or non-restricted).

30 rounds (proprietary) mags would be the only one, capacity wise.
 
Random curiousity: how long of a stroke would be necessary to cycle the action properly? I'm wondering, if this winds up being classified NR (as it should), how short of a barrel one can realistically use on it.
 
BenL said:
Go back and read my 1st post in this thread - I don't think I could have been any clearer when I said "pump-action in the AR platform"??

Your comparison to a pump-action shotgun is comparing apple to oranges.

Can you tell me in which situation(s) these would have the advantage over the semi-auto AR (or really, any other semi-auto black rifle, restricted or non-restricted).

30 rounds (proprietary) mags would be the only one, capacity wise.
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We don't know that these are "in the AR platform". That is why the excitement.
 
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