Troy PAR

If it wont accept an AR15 upper, and this includes having an AR15 upper taped or glued or stapled onto the PAR lower, even for one successful shot, then it's got nothing to do with an AR15 and should be (by law) treated as an entirely new rifle.
 
knock-knock said:
If it wont accept an AR15 upper, and this includes having an AR15 upper taped or glued or stapled onto the PAR lower, even for one successful shot, then it's got nothing to do with an AR15 and should be (by law) treated as an entirely new rifle.
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Well..... Not necessarily true.

If they had plastered all over their website: "this is an AR15 for all you ban state guys!" then it could be considered "lineage" or the same BS that is happening to the Swiss Arms rifles right now.

It seems to be that Troy is being intelligent with the marketing though so that's not likely to happen. The sad part is, if the RCMP decide it's a variant of something or other, there is ZERO recourse except for a new redesign of the firearm.... Still, hopes are up for this rifle!
 
I don't think they're looking at marketing brochures- they're evaluating the physical gun. They've been known to go to extreme lengths (duct tape) to make a gun do something it wasn't built to do.... so if this thing passes their stringent testing, I see no reason (that dirty word again) they'd classify it anything but NR.
 
BenL said:
Can you tell me in which situation(s) these would have the advantage over the semi-auto AR (or really, any other semi-auto black rifle, restricted or non-restricted).

30 rounds (proprietary) mags would be the only one, capacity wise.
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Full capacity magazines is a big one, yes, but as well there's the ability to have true SBR setups depending on what the stroke length is needed to cycle the action. Non-restricted status, assuming it doesn't get railroaded into being called an AR variant, would infinitely increase the ease of ownership. I know for a lot of guys Restricted status is no big problem because they only shoot at ranges anyways and always drive there, but for a huge portion of the population the ability to shoot on crown or private land is considerable boon. Even if they only shoot at ranges, not having to worry about the extra hassle of double-locking everything and carrying around paperwork is good.

Me, I'm very interested in the idea of something like a 13" 300 Blackout barrel fun gun. I don't know the exact measurements of the PAR, but even with a short barrel like that it should be above 26" OAL. In a perfect world, it would be able to break down into maybe two 20" parts.

Gadget, if you could update us with some details such as the stroke length of the pump, that would be super.
 
Another massive benefit is the weight and overall compactness of the package. Troy lists it as 6lbs flat on their website... that's pretty damn good.
 
Like I said in the other thread. 6 lbs thats an awesome deer rifle. Will it be available with multiple uppers?. say one in .300 an one in .223. .223 for yotes and .300 for deer.
 
I'd be nice to see hunters with these(and XCRs), as black rifles now = modern(eh, we're only a few decades behind) hunting rifles and the sooner the public gets that through their heads, the better.
 
knock-knock said:
Random curiousity: how long of a stroke would be necessary to cycle the action properly? I'm wondering, if this winds up being classified NR (as it should), how short of a barrel one can realistically use on it.
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Nutnfancy does a review on the rifle. Looks like it has a really short stroke.

Still very interested...

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=d8KMZpzNZQo
 
Interesting Rifle, I had not heard of this before, but I would be very surprised if it is not classified as restricted in Canada. The S&W M&P 15-22 is restricted, they consider it a variant of the AR-15 simply because it looks like an AR-15 and it uses an AR trigger. This PAR also looks like an AR and uses an AR trigger and an AR bolt. In the video review he also says the PAR takes standard AR-15 mags, is there a separate Canadian version that uses a different mag?
 
Tom E Gun said:
Interesting Rifle, I had not heard of this before, but I would be very surprised if it is not classified as restricted in Canada. The S&W M&P 15-22 is restricted, they consider it a variant of the AR-15 simply because it looks like an AR-15 and it uses an AR trigger. This PAR also looks like an AR and uses an AR trigger and an AR bolt. In the video review he also says the PAR takes standard AR-15 mags, is there a separate Canadian version that uses a different mag?
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Who knows what happens in that lab of theirs... hopefully this PAR is different enough to pass the tests.
 
Tom E Gun said:
Interesting Rifle, I had not heard of this before, but I would be very surprised if it is not classified as restricted in Canada. The S&W M&P 15-22 is restricted, they consider it a variant of the AR-15 simply because it looks like an AR-15 and it uses an AR trigger. This PAR also looks like an AR and uses an AR trigger and an AR bolt. In the video review he also says the PAR takes standard AR-15 mags, is there a separate Canadian version that uses a different mag?
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Export version has a proprietary magazine for the PAR, it does not us a AR bolt carrier group & the upper and lower will not interchange with a AR15 pattern rifle...

gadget
 
BenL said:
Go back and read my 1st post in this thread - I don't think I could have been any clearer when I said "pump-action in the AR platform"??

Your comparison to a pump-action shotgun is comparing apple to oranges.

Can you tell me in which situation(s) these would have the advantage over the semi-auto AR (or really, any other semi-auto black rifle, restricted or non-restricted).

30 rounds (proprietary) mags would be the only one, capacity wise.
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In the same situations that someone would choose a pump shotgun over a semi. It is the exact same comparison. Mag Capacity, reliability, personal preference... The list could go on. If you don't see a use for it, don't buy it. No one is saying that it's better than a standard AR, it's just different and can be used in different situations.

I for one would love a rifle with a 30 round capacity with AR ergonomics that I could play with on open property.
 
gadget said:
Export version has a proprietary magazine for the PAR, it does not us a AR bolt carrier group & the upper and lower will not interchange with a AR15 pattern rifle...

gadget
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Thanks for the explanation. While I wish you good luck with the NR classification, all of your points above also apply to the restricted 15-22.
 
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