Turkey Hunting a**hole Shot My Dog !!! ? Updated May 8 By 88 Man

What senior said.

There are many reasons for a wandering dog. It's not always someone being irresponsible. It could just be human error and the dog just escaped trailing a scent as most dog's like to do.

A little kindness towards others and their pets is often rewarded in new friendships and possibly special priveledges....like maybe hunting rights on their property?

"Do onto others as you would like to have done onto you."

or

"Once an A-hole, always an A-hole."

Which one is the credo you live by?
 
How can a man run down a deer
How do you keep it in sight to know where it's headed
That's about the most ridiculious statement I ever heard
I see in your last line it's changed to "walking down large bucks"

I think you mean you can follow a deer & get a shot, most hunters have done this especially if you jump one & take note of it fleeing direction or have a little snow!
But to say a man can run down a deer is just plain ludicrus
Click to expand...

Senior, judging by your name you're stamina must be similar! You track in snow of course and YES they jog, run and walk at times until they see it looking back at what the heck is trailing them and then BOOM! It is a long process taking most of a morning to do. They can wind up miles from who knows where! Outdour Life had an issue years back on these fellas. It's the Benoit brothers. Here they are:

http: //benoitsbigbucks.com/
 
rip said:
"Shooting a dog on your property without knowing the circumstances behind why the dog is there (even though you may be well within your rights), is extending an invitation for a five knuckle sandwich."

Explain this one to me.
Click to expand...

Not too hard to understand.

If you shoot a dog on your property without knowing the reason (kneejerk reaction), you are creating a situation that may well result in a sore nose from the dog owners fist grazing it across said shooters nose.

Dogs are different from any other pet. That could be why they don't call horses or cats "mans best friend".

Shooting a wild dog is entrirely different but when you shoot someones trained dog it creates a #### storm. (even the most trained dog will have bouts of instninct that will cause it to stray)

Yep, you might within your rights to shoot a dog on your property but its hard to respect a neighbour who shoots your dog and hides behind the law as an excuse.

The law and common sense have been fighting for years about who's right:p

But, you did day that you would talk to the neighbours and explain what would happen if a dog ran across your property so I guess this doesn't apply to you.;)

Edit: A buddy of mine woke up the other day to find 30 cows in his front yard. I suppose he could have loaded up and started squeezing but instead, he called the neighbour, gave him a hand corraling the cattle and he and the farmer started re-building his front lawn.
 
Last edited:
Okay, let me clarify my stance on this issue, then I'm done with this thread.
88 man's dog being shot at is a bs and cowardly act. 88 had permission on the property and all his t's were crossed and i's dotted, so the guy that did it was an idiot, and a trespasser according to the land owner.
Now to my understanding of some of the comments in here, some of these guys do feel its ok to run dogs on private property, without permission, because its something they have done for years and no one has made an issue of it. My point was that if I lived there, private property would mean private property. One poster said that it was a bunch of cityites that bought land and dont know how the game is played and are screwing up a good thing they have going. My response to that is wake up and smell the coffee. If someone owns land, and its posted to stay off of it, don't run your dogs on it simply because you have in the past. That mentality will get your dogs shot. If your dog " accidently " runs on the place, I would guess its pretty much up to the owner of the land what he would do the first time. If it becomes a pattern, well.............The responsability to control pets remains in the hands of the owner. I have rotweiller that is 14 years old. He comes with me to the farm and I never have to worry about him taking off, or chasing other animals. He was trained to obey commands. Hell, when we go for walks around town at night,he won't even take a piss on someone elses property. Its in the training.
 
Wow, you can tell who talks to their neighbors, and who scowls at em by this thread... If you dont know your neighbors, or their dogs,wives,kids you have an issue IMHO.
 
Unless that beagle was about to rip out someone's throat, (a human being) there is no reason to shoot it. I have owned beagles. They are busy little dogs and that is it. I NEVER saw a beagle catch anything but a wounded bush rabbit. If the little dog disturbed some turkeys or deer for that matter so what? It does not justify wounding or killing the dog. Just my two cents.
I expect some feedback.....

Darryl
 
rip[QUOTE said:
My response to that is wake up and smell the coffee. If someone owns land, and its posted to stay off of it, don't run your dogs on it simply because you have in the past. That mentality will get your dogs shot. If your dog " accidently " runs on the place, I would guess its pretty much up to the owner of the land what he would do the first time. If it becomes a pattern, well.............The responsability to control pets remains in the hands of the owner.
Click to expand...

Now that makes sense. Couldn't agree more

No slight on you Rip, but there is nothing worse than a chest beater who talks about his rights when he is oblivious to the fact that his rights effect evryone around him. Rights are not exclusive.

Proper communication will ensure that hunting dogs live into old age.
 
Last edited:
Reading through the posts a few people seem confused as the rules/laws regarding trespass and the Fish and Wildlife Conservation Act.

Senior: I assume when you mention the Big difference betwen no trespass property and private property you are refering to private property that you have permission to be/hunt on. If not, you'll want to read the Acts in detail.

Here are the links to the facts of both:

Trespass to Property Act
http://www.canlii.org/on/laws/sta/t-21/20040802/whole.html

Fish and Wildlife Conservation Act
http://www.e-laws.gov.on.ca/DBLaws/Statutes/English/97f41_e.htm#BK12
 
madtrapper143 said:
Unless that beagle was about to rip out someone's throat, (a human being) there is no reason to shoot it. I have owned beagles. They are busy little dogs and that is it. I NEVER saw a beagle catch anything but a wounded bush rabbit. If the little dog disturbed some turkeys or deer for that matter so what? It does not justify wounding or killing the dog. Just my two cents.
I expect some feedback.....

Darryl
Click to expand...

What if I paid a big whack of money for some land that I hunt/photograph deer and turkeys on. It is clearly posted No Trespassing. What if some local idiots continue to start their dogs on my property to run coyotes. What if they have been told numerous times not to do it, and they continue?? So thats ok?? So basically, I paid a couple hundred grand for these #######s to have a place to coyote hunt?? Not ####ing likely.
 
Thats not the dogs fault Waterfowler.Its the owners.Get some licence plate numbers,catch the dog/dogs and call the police.Dont shoot the dog.Dogs cant read No Trespassing sighns.

If these guys are dirty enough to run the dogs through your property after being told not to(no accident),they would probably be dirty enough to light a match to your property if you shot the dog/dogs.Its been known to happen.
 
Last edited:
Waterfowler said:
What if I paid a big whack of money for some land that I hunt/photograph deer and turkeys on. It is clearly posted No Trespassing. What if some local idiots continue to start their dogs on my property to run coyotes. What if they have been told numerous times not to do it, and they continue?? So thats ok?? So basically, I paid a couple hundred grand for these a**holes to have a place to coyote hunt?? Not f**king likely.
Click to expand...


So let me get this straight... Killing their dogs will resolve this?
 
i dont even own a hunting dog.......but when ever a stray one finds me in the camp or the bush..the first thing i do is read the tags to find out who the owner is..
then when we get back to camp...a phone call is made to contact the owner..
some time the owner will say.........kick its ass and send it home...or he might say im on the way to pick it up..
but shoot a dog because he cant read a no trresspassing sign..
no way..
 
In this area we have three groups of coyote hunters that kill hundreds of coyotes every year and provide a great service to the livestock operations and small game/deer hunters alike.
Even the transplanted city dwellers in the area eventually come to the realization that the hunting dogs are not what caused the disappearance of their cat "Fluffy".
Some of these coyote hunters are very red in the neck and don't respond well to people complaining about their dogs. But they will definitely try to avoid conflicts in most circumstances and will avoid areas where the landowner gives them grief.
If you have issues with dogs on your property my suggestion is to catch the dogs (on your property!)... this might involve shooting the coyote that they are chasing. It takes a hound man to catch a hound in most cases but it can be done if your prepared with a lead, some runnning ability and a good loud voice.
Once you catch the dog make the owner come to you on your turf to retrieve it, explain your feelings and tell him what you want from him. This guy now knows you can and will catch his dog (totally screwing up his hunt and his day!) and he will avoid conflict with you at any cost.
Whatever you do, do not shoot the dog... this a place you do not want to go with a hound man.
 
Last edited:
pottsy said:
Reading through the posts a few people seem confused as the rules/laws regarding trespass and the Fish and Wildlife Conservation Act.

Senior: I assume when you mention the Big difference betwen no trespass property and private property you are refering to private property that you have permission to be/hunt on. If not, you'll want to read the Acts in detail.

Here are the links to the facts of both:

Trespass to Property Act
http://www.canlii.org/on/laws/sta/t-21/20040802/whole.html

Fish and Wildlife Conservation Act
http://www.e-laws.gov.on.ca/DBLaws/Statutes/English/97f41_e.htm#BK12
Click to expand...

Absolutely, No Tresspassing means No Tresspassing You do everything you can to stay of & keep your dogs off.
Private Property means exactely what it says, this property is private owned, it doesn't say No Tresspassing. You would of course have to get permission to hunt it because you know it's private. Our 300 acres camp is marked Private Property but anybody can come & walk, ride, atv or poop:D as long as you respect it. The signs are to inform wandering hunters (almost always out of towners) that it is private & is in use. We get a lot of visiters passing thru or dropping in to say hello when the camp is occupied. We have only had 1 break-in in 20 yrs because the locals that cross it actually help partrol it.
 
Woodsman said:
Senior, judging by your name you're stamina must be similar! You track in snow of course and YES they jog, run and walk at times until they see it looking back at what the heck is trailing them and then BOOM! It is a long process taking most of a morning to do. They can wind up miles from who knows where! Outdour Life had an issue years back on these fellas. It's the Benoit brothers. Here they are:

http: //benoitsbigbucks.com/
Click to expand...

Geeze bud you must be older & less capable of comprehending what you read than I am after all isn't that exactely what I said :rolleyes:

Quoted
I think you mean you can follow a deer & get a shot, most hunters have done this especially if you jump one & take note of it fleeing direction or have a little snow!
But to say a man can run down a deer is just plain ludicrus "

But to say a man can run down a deer imply's just that, just like wolves will or even a few stray BIG dogs can do, is still just plain ludicrus !
And as REDD pointed out a large friggen squirrel is likely safe from my 21lb beagle :rolleyes:
 
Her in B.C. dogs can be used to hunt deer but must be on a leash. Bear and cougar can be hunted with dogs off leash. If I understand it correctly, in Ontario, dogs can be used off leash for deer.

Outside of the hunting season the owners of the dogs should make sure their dogs do not harrass game. Dogs will do what dogs are trained to do and given the opportunity they will respond to the way they were trained, they don't have the power of reason to understand hunting seasons. Having said that, from what I have observerd, hounds persons in general are very a responsible group.

I think the irresponsible dog owners are some of the residents of subdivisions which border raw land, be it private or crown. These, not all but a few, are the pet owners who need to take a few wake up pills and it's these pet owners and pets I take issue with. They see "Fido" laying infront of the firepace and are ignorant of the dog's potential Jeckle and Hyde personality. In their minds "Fido" wouldn't hurt a flea. They loose track of their pets and figure the dog is just out for a hike and getting some exercise. Little do they know!:mad: Tell me the difference between the impact a coyote has on a wildlife population and the impact a dog running at large has on a population. Granted the coyote is out there 24/7 but in actuallity there is no difference. If pet owners are not prepared to do what is necessary to safeguard against their pets harrassing wildlife then they shouldn't own a pet capable of harrassing wildlife. Once a dog gets a taste for blood it has turned into a bad actor.
 
BIGREDD said:
In this area we have three groups of coyote hunters that kill hundreds of coyotes every year and provide a great service to the livestock operations and small game/deer hunters alike.
Even the transplanted city dwellers in the area eventually come to the realization that the hunting dogs are not what caused the disappearance of their cat "Fluffy".
Some of these coyote hunters are very red in the neck and don't respond well to people complaining about their dogs. But they will definitely try to avoid conflicts in most circumstances and will avoid areas where the landowner gives them grief.
If you have issues with dogs on your property my suggestion is to catch the dogs (on your property!)... this might involve shooting the coyote that they are chasing. It takes a hound man to catch a hound in most cases but it can be done if your prepared with a lead, some runnning ability and a good loud voice.
Once you catch the dog make the owner come to you on your turf to retrieve it, explain your feelings and tell him what you want from him. This guy now knows you can and will catch his dog (totally screwing up his hunt and his day!) and he will avoid conflict with you at any cost.
Whatever you do, do not shoot the dog... this a place you do not want to go with a hound man.
Click to expand...

And what about when the "houndsman" have been told numerous times not to do it, but continue to??? And if the landowner is getting no where with the MNR, then whats next?? Should l just accept that fact that I have just paid for these guys to have their personally piece of property to run their dogs on??

And I am not talking about dogs ending up on my property by accident or because thats were the coyotes ran. I am talking about the dogs being intentionally started on my property, with the hopes of picking up a trail.
 
BIGREDD said:
In this area we have three groups of coyote hunters that kill hundreds of coyotes every year and provide a great service to the livestock operations and small game/deer hunters alike.
Even the transplanted city dwellers in the area eventually come to the realization that the hunting dogs are not what caused the disappearance of their cat "Fluffy".
Some of these coyote hunters are very red in the neck and don't respond well to people complaining about their dogs. But they will definitely try to avoid conflicts in most circumstances and will avoid areas where the landowner gives them grief.
If you have issues with dogs on your property my suggestion is to catch the dogs (on your property!)... this might involve shooting the coyote that they are chasing. It takes a hound man to catch a hound in most cases but it can be done if your prepared with a lead, some runnning ability and a good loud voice.
Once you catch the dog make the owner come to you on your turf to retrieve it, explain your feelings and tell him what you want from him. This guy now knows you can and will catch his dog (totally screwing up his hunt and his day!) and he will avoid conflict with you at any cost.
Whatever you do, do not shoot the dog... this a place you do not want to go with a hound man.
Click to expand...

So its all cool then for them to run their hounds across your food plots etc Redd?? But heaven forbid some kid take a dump on your property!!!!!
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom