I usually think of PRE-ORDER payment (partial) be a form of committment. Never thought the full payment was necessary. But I do believe it would of simplify the process when the product arrive, so there won't be a need to re-confirm and collect payment. Lack of comms is def a killer for business.
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I usually think of PRE-ORDER payment (partial) be a form of committment. Never thought the full payment was necessary. But I do believe it would of simplify the process when the product arrive, so there won't be a need to re-confirm and collect payment. Lack of comms is def a killer for business.
I don't think there are a lot of complaints about the final selling price. The pre-order issue is that payment in full at the time of pre-order seems, especially in hindsight given the time elapse, to be excessive. This is even more so given, as you point out, TI could probably have arranged funding on its own and, at the very most, would have required only $200K to pay the manufacturer. Its the payment in full part that I think is adding a lot to buyers frustrations. Anyway, at this point it is what it is for this deal, and whether people adjust their actions in the future remains ti be seen. I for one will not pay in full again upfront.
Agreed, I only brought up the price of this because many pages back a couple guys were complaining that TI only paid $200/ea yet were charging $1000.
I've always sat back and watched the pre-orders go by, I don't need to be the first one to have something and I have more than enough rifles to keep me busy until I can either pick one up on the EE or in the store if I'm willing to pay full retail.
I understand that but maybe understand there may be more to it than one persons call or email. Maybe they just got tired of a few children messaging them to complain and scream rather than asking questions and being polite. Your message may have been polite and simply been asking for an update but when it's the 30th call that day and many of them were rude and just full of finger pointing and ranting your tolerance would be pretty low and rather than waste time replying they choose to just get the rifles shipped as fast as possible. Taking a guy away from packing just to reply to the same emails over and over just makes it take longer. I do agree that a quick daily update here on their own page would go a long way but I'm sure they're tired and frustrated.
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Lol anyone who buys tickets to the habs is indeed pathetic.
Go have a coffee and relax, you're getting angry over absolutely nothing.. Whining about people whining, in the end.. Is a bit of an oxymoron
what risks? either we got the rifle at the end of the day or we got our money back... one way or the other I was getting a gun, eventually. Its almost over guys! rejoice.
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Ummmmm... any floders yet??
Only problem is they aren't even for pre sale yet lol
Thay and the non stop back peddling now from guys saying exactly what you are BUT then first in line to toss credit cards at the vendors for their NR AR rifle now LMAO
Now that is some funny #### to me
Hahahahah hahahahaha hypocrisy at its finest. I guess price pimps like us tho will never learn HAHAHAHHAH
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They will be lucky to get their folders by Christmas.
This is how I expect a lot of people analyzed it. However, it would be to overlook the main risk which, as I mentioned, is that somewhere along this long road the seller goes bankrupt. Sure you can line up as an unsecured creditor, or maybe even get your money back from your credit card company depending on their policies and attitudes. But pursuing a chargeback on a payment made a year ago to purchase a yet to be made Chinese assault rifle is a process that isn't all that appealing.
Such calm, mature, rational, analytical, informative and convincing response from you lol.
Salute!
i was on the fence about it for that reason, which is why i financed thru tactical capital. i figured id be somewhat protected that way.
Maybe, but perhaps more likely is that TC, or its receiver or bankruptcy trustee, would come at you for the $ that it loaned you to make the pre-order deposit, notwithstanding that you didn't receive the rifle (which is a transaction with a separate corporation, ie TI, and therefor legally you would have no right to set it off against the debt). Also, since you didn't use a credit card, you wouldn't have the chargeback possibility. Fortunately these unpalatable scenarios appear to be behind us.
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So your saying you think its best to use a CC to pay for a pre order.. instead of emt or financing?
CC will not charge back after a certain amount of time, you are SOL I think after 3 months. This might be why newer orders go through before older ones, the newer ones can still do a charge back with the CC company.
I never called anyone a price pimp in this or any other thread, and if you're referring to me owning a Modern Hunter then how does that compare to anything here? I bought a used rifle because I wanted that rifle but didn't want to spend $6000 which is what my rifle was to build. I wanted the best and was willing to pay what I paid for it which happened to be a nice savings. I won't say what my price was because the mentality of some on here is that a person can't make more than a certain amount of profit on something or it's somehow unfair and not just good business. People charge what they think they can get for something not how much it costs them to make unless it's costing more to make than they can get for it.
I fail to see any hypocrisy from me, I refuse to pre-sale and can't remember one rifle I paid for more than a week from when I expected it to ship to me. I don't throw obscene numbers out of what I'm willing to pay for something that may be coming to market in the future.
Is that the stuff you find funny?
Oh, and by the way if you're one of the guys that thinks a MH is overpriced just because it's non restricted I suggest you build a quality AR-10, I had an AR-10 build that cost over $4000 just in parts alone plus someones time to assemble it. You get what you pay for, a $1700 BCL(NEA) is a cap shoot, maybe you get one that works maybe you don't, then it needs a new trigger and barrel. Then you still have an NEA that cost you way more than you can sell it for.
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I'm not saying card chargebacks will always bring relief because I'm sure there are many circumstances (time limits etc) that would preclude it, nor am I saying that finance companies should not be used because, particularly in the case of captive finance companies, there may be interest rate and other concessions or reasons that are worthwhile. Each case will depend on its own facts and except in cases of full-pay pre-orders that have a long wait period, it probably doesn't matter a whole lot. A buyer's main concern is how can he or she end up not out-of-pocket, ie having the payment lost or being left with a loan debt, if the deal goes sideways, and this concern is increased the longer is the period between payment and ultimate delivery. Personally I usually use a credit card. Let me give you an example. I go to my bank (or finance company) and get a $1000 loan to pay a seller for a pre-order, but for whatever reason the ordered goods don't come and the bank wants the loan repaid according to its repayment terms. I can't go to the bank and tell them I'm not repaying the loan because I haven't received the goods. The bank couldn't care less, this is a transaction with a third party and is separate from the loan. A credit card company, on the other hand, specifically says that if I don't get the goods there are certain chargeback remedies available, ie the buying part is tied into the financing part. I've never heard of a bank or finance company making its loan on this basis. By the way, an emt transfer for these purposes is the same as if you handed over the money in cash.
Lol dude relax I wasn't talking about you.
All I stated was what you said a bunch of other guys said the same #### but then once those guys heard word on a pre sale NR AR they already had their pants down for a pre order.
Again not you lol.
Also I didn't mention anything about the MH !?!?!?!? Lol
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