Type 81 SR Serious Quality Concern

Ex3dy said:
A nutsert and low profile socket head cap screw might be another good solution, less than 1$. This is the first interesting T81 to me because of the longer gas system so hopefully the stock gets a rev. 2.
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For sure a threaded option would just allow for less chances of stripping it out somehow, but in reality most people are not going to be removing the stock that often I would assume?

I feel bad for T.I. but it sounds like they were well aware of the potential issue and are defending the design as developed and supposedly stress tested.

For a range blaster and wall hanger it's probably going to be fine, specially with an extra support added a la B-file.... but I can't see that design holding up well in a combat zone or other professional application.
 
Can-down said:
For sure a threaded option would just allow for less chances of stripping it out somehow, but in reality most people are not going to be removing the stock that often I would assume?

I feel bad for T.I. but it sounds like they were well aware of the potential issue and are defending the design as developed and supposedly stress tested.

For a range blaster and wall hanger it's probably going to be fine, specially with an extra support added a la B-file.... but I can't see that design holding up well in a combat zone or other professional application.
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there is only one way to find: shoot out up to the end of times ...

pretty sure someone will find an adaptor or something else to make it last.
 
Screw or threaded insert for a machine screw, ultimately the strength is going to depend on engagement with the wood. A machine screw into an insert would be better if the unit is going to be disassembled from time to time.
Catch is that the screw is going into the web above the thumbhole. It would be a lot stronger if it were going into a more substantial part of the stock.
 
One could also put a flat metal piece on top of the 2 rivet holes inside and screw it down in the middle between the holes, pre drilled of course.
 
fritzhanzel said:
One could also put a flat metal piece on top of the 2 rivet holes inside and screw it down in the middle between the holes, pre drilled of course.
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That's a pretty good idea, a dado vertically down the stock's hidden tang and a metal block with 2 as large as practical wood screws from to back in the middle to sandwich everything once the pins go back in.
 
fritzhanzel said:
One could also put a flat metal piece on top of the 2 rivet holes inside and screw it down in the middle between the holes, pre drilled of course.
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Ex3dy said:
That's a pretty good idea, a dado vertically down the stock's hidden tang and a metal block with 2 as large as practical wood screws from to back in the middle to sandwich everything once the pins go back in.
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im willing to purchase 2 if someone is doing them.
 
Not sure why poeple care about TI warranty regarding the stock... clearly they dont have a solution to the problem, but they will give you a replacement aka we will gladly replace the thing that just broke on you with another thing that will just break on you lol
 
Murray 3-D said:
Not sure why poeple care about TI warranty regarding the stock... clearly they dont have a solution to the problem, but they will give you a replacement aka we will gladly replace the thing that just broke on you with another thing that will just break on you lol
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TI already said that warranty is of no concern.

I am still waiting for good ideas from others, don't really see a big problem at all. Unless you drive over it with your truck which the guy in the first post seems to have done. One of the others on fb grounded off the rivets, not sure what he was thinking and if it was before or after the stock broke.
 
fritzhanzel said:
TI already said that warranty is of no concern.

I am still waiting for good ideas from others, don't really see a big problem at all. Unless you drive over it with your truck which the guy in the first post seems to have done. One of the others on fb grounded off the rivets, not sure what he was thinking and if it was before or after the stock broke.
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bfiles and jeffman shown the way now all is good.
 
Not stick up further but the thickenss of the head as to not allow the dustcober to sit properly is what I'm getting at.

If anything, adding a washer like JeffMan would do the trick
 
Can-down said:
For sure a threaded option would just allow for less chances of stripping it out somehow, but in reality most people are not going to be removing the stock that often I would assume?

I feel bad for T.I. but it sounds like they were well aware of the potential issue and are defending the design as developed and supposedly stress tested.

For a range blaster and wall hanger it's probably going to be fine, specially with an extra support added a la B-file.... but I can't see that design holding up well in a combat zone or other professional application.
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Thanks for posting that vid, I was thinking about this approach using those fasteners and mechanical screws would make securing the stock very professional looking and easy takedown !
 
I Dont Care About You said:
LOL.

I have an SKS, along with a Type81 SE. Still don't like the SKS. Its a crappy rifle, crappily built for an uneducated peasant army of cannon fodder. I see zero pride of ownership in something so badly built. We, as educated citizens, of a first world democracy can choose better tools. FWIW, the Type81 trigger is way better than the SKS trigger.

If you look at the original SR thread, you will see me getting #### on for saying I woudn't buy the SR because it is in the wrong caliber and the only such rifle I'd be interested in would be 762x54R. I don't own an SR.

I think TI is in for a long road fixing broken SR stocks. But that's just like, my opinion man.
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Oh my lord, you just got me to belly laugh for about 15 seconds. I honestly can’t even tell if this is a troll or not.
 
bfiles said:
Not stick up further but the thickenss of the head as to not allow the dustcober to sit properly is what I'm getting at.

If anything, adding a washer like JeffMan would do the trick
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Ok im missing something here... the head has to stick out further to allow the dust cover to latch? Because a pan head would sit lower then the wood screw pictured that seems to work.
 
LordEvilPepper said:
Ok im missing something here... the head has to stick out further to allow the dust cover to latch? Because a pan head would sit lower then the wood screw pictured that seems to work.
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It’s hard to explain but if you look at the pictures of my modification, even a thin washer needed to be ground down at the top for the dust cover to fit. Then I still had to take a tiny bit of material off of my dust cover too.

If the screw head sits at the very back of the receiver, it needs to be thin and short. The farther from the back of the receiver the screw head is the taller/ larger it can be - this is because the dust cover sits on the lower shelf of the rear trunnion, while held forward by the rearmost lip on the very back of the trunnion.
 
JeffMan said:
It’s hard to explain but if you look at the pictures of my modification, even a thin washer needed to be ground down at the top for the dust cover to fit. Then I still had to take a tiny bit of material off of my dust cover too.

If the screw head sits at the very back of the receiver, it needs to be thin and short. The farther from the back of the receiver the screw head is the taller/ larger it can be - this is because the dust cover sits on the lower shelf of the rear trunnion, while held forward by the rearmost lip on the very back of the trunnion.
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This right here ^^
 
Murray 3-D said:
Not sure why poeple care about TI warranty regarding the stock... clearly they dont have a solution to the problem, but they will give you a replacement aka we will gladly replace the thing that just broke on you with another thing that will just break on you lol
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Yeah great idea. Last I checked, they buy these in batches. What happens when they run out, or supreme leader says no more? How will they replace it then? How many people that bought this have no idea of this problem and will end up with a broken stock down the road with no chance of replacement?
 
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