Type 88 Sniper

[Canada tail]

have u even tried the t88? I shot the5.8 mm t88 4yrs ago and I can tell u one thing : if u wanna see cheap built gun with lousy finish, look somewhere else. The little guy is as solid and precise as hi end DMRs on our market today.

TI did a great job bring them in,I ll snatch one if the next batch comes with the scope and stuff.

So sick n tired to see noc bashers around

I'm with you, id buy the 20" Swiss target rifle even if its a few hundred more, and doesn't have iron sights, or a scope, or a bipod. Who cares at least it's not a norinco, and it's a quality product. I would also say it would be more accurate than the type 88

 

[SQUAREHEAD1]

I'm with you, id buy the 20" Swiss target rifle even if its a few hundred more, and doesn't have iron sights, or a scope, or a bipod. Who cares at least it's not a norinco, and it's a quality product. I would also say it would be more accurate than the type 88

Thanks Mike, ... ;-)

 

[Mikeschurman]

have u even tried the t88? I shot the5.8 mm t88 4yrs ago and I can tell u one thing : if u wanna see cheap built gun with lousy finish, look somewhere else. TI did a great job bring them in,I ll snatch one if the next batch comes with the scope and stuff.
So sick n tired to see noc bashers around

I've never handled a type 88, and don't have any interest in doing so. I just think its priced a bit high. As far as it being a sniper rifle and barely being able to shoot 1.5 moa, is a bit disappointing. I've seen the quality of norinco products. Now maybe the type 88 is an exception, but when you compare a $400 m14 to a $3000 Springfield the quality is obvious. If I had a choice between a 3000 dollar gun it sure wouldn't be a type 88.

 

[tootall]

Then dont buy one!
I most likely wont either, but I'm not campaigning on that issue.

I would still like to test and evaluate one for my Youtube channel though.

 

[Claven2]

I've never handled a type 88, and don't have any interest in doing so. I just think its priced a bit high. As far as it being a sniper rifle and barely being able to shoot 1.5 moa, is a bit disappointing. I've seen the quality of norinco products. Now maybe the type 88 is an exception, but when you compare a $400 m14 to a $3000 Springfield the quality is obvious. If I had a choice between a 3000 dollar gun it sure wouldn't be a type 88.

Great opinion from someone who has never held one. LOVE the comparisson between an M14S and an M1A. Anyone with half a whit on the M14 platform will tell you the Norinco-marketed receiver is scads BETTER than a cast M1A offering. Talk about over-pricing, look no further than the SAI M1A. Used, worn surplus parts bought for pennies on the kilogram + M1A cheaply cast receiver + $2000 worth of markup = priceless.

The targets shown here in this thread were shot with cheap AE 55gn ammo. That is possibly the crappiest factory ammo money can buy. Seriously. I have cases of it for range fun, but it groups poorly.

FYI, I don't know of too many semi-auto military-issue rifles that consistently perform better than MOA. The shooters who need better than that are using bolt guns.

You may have seen some Norinco products, granted, but guess what? Norinco makes NOTHING. They are a PLA shell company that EXPORTS other manufacturer's products. Norinco does NOT make the Type 88. They EXPORT it on behalf of the manufacturer. Unless you have personally held one, I am 100% confident your bias against all things chinese is playing more of a factor than any valid criticism of this rifle.

China is perfectly capable of precision manufacture, but at the price point most of their goods are marketed, most people won't pay them for that quality. Chine produces excellent copies of the MIG series of fighter jets, they have a space program that is doing more stuff than NASA is these days. They have more telecommunications satellites put into orbit in the last decade than any other power. They have aircraft carries, nuclear submarines, ICBM's, argueably one of the best anti-ship missile capabilities there is, the list goes on and on. I have no doubt they can rifle a barrel properly and free-float it enough to shoot tight groups. China is the new Japan.

I have nothing to do with TI, but just because they ponied up for some of the best small arms weapons technology China can produce and charged what they had to in order to remain profitable, they should take guff from the likes of you? I think not.

 

[Canada tail]

^^^^what the man said

 

[edwin-97a]

Bingo!

 

[Aries-]

I've never handled a type 88, and don't have any interest in doing so. I just think its priced a bit high. As far as it being a sniper rifle and barely being able to shoot 1.5 moa, is a bit disappointing. I've seen the quality of norinco products. Now maybe the type 88 is an exception, but when you compare a $400 m14 to a $3000 Springfield the quality is obvious. If I had a choice between a 3000 dollar gun it sure wouldn't be a type 88.

so. you have no intention of buying one, and you hate norinco.. yet you felt the need to chime in with some bs opinion based on nothing.

if i had the choice of spending 3k on a rifle it wouldn't be on an American over priced hunk of junk. having worked on both i can tell you the metal in the "norinco" m14's is far better (Springfield can be milled with high speed steel, while Norinco need carbide and still chew through those)

if you don't intend on buying one don't, that's the great thing about this country you aren't forced into buying it. but don't come into a thread advertising a gun, and #### all over it when you have no experience with the firearm and have no interest in it other than to #####.

 

[sheekster1977]

Great opinion from someone who has never held one. LOVE the comparisson between an M14S and an M1A. Anyone with half a whit on the M14 platform will tell you the Norinco-marketed receiver is scads BETTER than a cast M1A offering. Talk about over-pricing, look no further than the SAI M1A. Used, worn surplus parts bought for pennies on the kilogram + M1A cheaply cast receiver + $2000 worth of markup = priceless.

The targets shown here in this thread were shot with cheap AE 55gn ammo. That is possibly the crappiest factory ammo money can buy. Seriously. I have cases of it for range fun, but it groups poorly.

FYI, I don't know of too many semi-auto military-issue rifles that consistently perform better than MOA. The shooters who need better than that are using bolt guns.

You may have seen some Norinco products, granted, but guess what? Norinco makes NOTHING. They are a PLA shell company that EXPORTS other manufacturer's products. Norinco does NOT make the Type 88. They EXPORT it on behalf of the manufacturer. Unless you have personally held one, I am 100% confident your bias against all things chinese is playing more of a factor than any valid criticism of this rifle.

China is perfectly capable of precision manufacture, but at the price point most of their goods are marketed, most people won't pay them for that quality. Chine produces excellent copies of the MIG series of fighter jets, they have a space program that is doing more stuff than NASA is these days. They have more telecommunications satellites put into orbit in the last decade than any other power. They have aircraft carries, nuclear submarines, ICBM's, argueably one of the best anti-ship missile capabilities there is, the list goes on and on. I have no doubt they can rifle a barrel properly and free-float it enough to shoot tight groups. China is the new Japan.

I have nothing to do with TI, but just because they ponied up for some of the best small arms weapons technology China can produce and charged what they had to in order to remain profitable, they should take guff from the likes of you? I think not.

Norc haters just got...SCHOOLED!! lol.

I'd be all over this gun if i had an extra $3k, but will settle for the t97 when it arrives..Otherwise, if I need to get my target at +500yds, i have my trusty Savage FCP-K..

 

[Deckard]

I like the rifle, I like Norinco, and YET people are utterly coy about this rifle. Too bad. There are people actually interested in it. Again, I like the product but the time spent 'schooling haters' could be used informing the interested.

 

[banditos]

I have owned the Springfield m14 and the Norinco M305 at the same time and brought them both out to the range on the same shoot. I feel that you actually get more for your money out of the Norc. By a large margin. I ended up selling the Springfield because I felt it was a way overpriced gun.

 

[SQUAREHEAD1]

Banditos makes a great point and very true!
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[Mikeschurman]

Banditos makes a great point and very true!
Now.... how much did he spend on the M305?
500 bucks? There is one on EE right now for
$425, shipped.
I don't think he spent $3000.00 on it!

I don't hate Norinco products, they are a great value
"at their price point", NOT at $3000.00 tho.


.... a $3000.00 Norinco.
Nuff said

Agreed, can't argue with idiots, they already know everything

 

[Aries-]

i think it is more the fact you don't understand that norinco doesn't make these guns. they are an exporter. they get guns from other companies and export it for them with their name.

but like you said, cant argue with idiots, they already know everything.

 

[Mikeschurman]

i think it is more the fact you don't understand that norinco doesn't make these guns. they are an exporter. they get guns from other companies and export it for them with their name.

but like you said, cant argue with idiots, they already know everything.

You guys are missing the whole point here, instead you are turning this into a pissing match about where norinco comes from. Who cares if norinco doesn't make their own guns, the factory that makes them is to norinco's specs and tolerances which are a joke most of the time. Like I have already said a few pages pack 3k will get you a lot of nicer guns than a type 88, but who am I to try to convince everyone. China may be the next Japan, but they are NOT there yet. Till then to can all buy your chineese knock offs, and I'll buy my American made "junk" as all you seem to think it is

 

[Aries-]

You guys are missing the whole point here, instead you are turning this into a pissing match about where norinco comes from. Who cares if norinco doesn't make their own guns, the factory that makes them is to norinco's specs and tolerances which are a joke most of the time. Like I have already said a few pages pack 3k will get you a lot of nicer guns than a type 88, but who am I to try to convince everyone. China may be the next Japan, but they are NOT there yet. Till then to can all buy your chineese knock offs, and I'll buy my American made "junk" as all you seem to think it is

like what ? a Springfield ? hardly. crummy receivers. il take a norinco 1911 over a Springfield any day of the year. they may need a little work and a couple better parts but on the whole the frames and slides are better.

same with the m14 the receiver is of much higher quality on a norinco than a Springfield.

now if you please show me the actual import or manufacture cost of the type 88 and if there is a 300% markup on it then you win. but if there is a 10-25% markup maybe you should crawl back in the hole you came out of.

 

[Mikeschurman]

il take a norinco 1911 over a Springfield any day of the year. they may need a little work and a couple better parts

Thank you, point proven. If norinco guns were that great then why are you changing parts on them right out of the box. And you are probably changing them to that "us made crap" parts aren't you. The Americans sure can't built a 1911 like china can

Now please refer to post #293

 

[SQUAREHEAD1]

Delete!

thank you, point proven. If norinco guns were that great then why are you changing parts on them right out of the box. And you are probably changing them to that "us made crap" parts aren't you. The americans sure can't built a 1911 like china can

now please refer to post #293

 

[BobtheHuman]

Thank you, point proven. If norinco guns were that great then why are you changing parts on them right out of the box. And you are probably changing them to that "us made crap" parts aren't you. The Americans sure can't built a 1911 like china can

Now please refer to post #293

Don't people change the parts out on brand new ARs all the time?

 

[Aries-]

Thank you, point proven. If norinco guns were that great then why are you changing parts on them right out of the box. And you are probably changing them to that "us made crap" parts aren't you. The Americans sure can't built a 1911 like china can

Now please refer to post #293

ok explain to my why 2500 for a Springfield m14 is worth it ? you are likely going to do the same thing with that or a 1911.

a Springfield 1911 you are still going to replace things and you are paying 2-3x's more for it. so where is the better value. a norinco that you put another 100-200 in parts into costing a total of 800. or a Springfield you pay 1200 for and still put those same 1-200 worth of parts into coming to a total of 1400. when you get a better frame and slide from a norinco for almost half the price.

please do explain how an over prices American made firearm is better than a well made Chinese knockoff ?