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I've alreay said my piece, but I can't help point out that Springfield 1911's are not "made in the USA". They are made by imbel in Brazil, imported to the states and sold with grips that have "US" logos on them along with a few other US compliance parts.

Norinco 1911's don't need parts changes to work. All I have ever seen worked well out of the box. But they are GI-standard (most models). 1911 customization is second only to AR15 gucci-ization.

And the Type 88 is NOT made to "Norinco Specs" whatever that is (?). The Type 88 is made to PLA specs for the PLA. Some of those guns have been exported by Norinco who, guess what, is part of the PLA. They are MILITARY. Not originally made for the civilian market.

Until you have held one, I think you need to look yourself in the mirror and ask whether you are giving the gun a fair shake. Would you criticize a new Colt product without having seen it in person? Or a new M14 clone made in the USA?

Of course you wouldn't.
 
Claven2: the only reason they are here is to troll, they have no intention of buying anything that says norinco on it no matter what the price. it could be a IWI tavor with norinco printed on the side and they would scream that it is only worth $500 and no one should pay a penny more.
 
Aries,
Who said anything about Springfield 1911's? that is your assumption. I was saying to all you chineese knock off supporters that a lot of you go on about how good norinco is, and you bash US made products. Then you go and buy US parts to put on your top quality chineese knock off, and tell everyone it's better than the original. thats comedy in itself. Do I have to tell you again to refer to post 293. I put it there just for people like YOU. Anyways I'm done with this pissing match
 
Mikeschurman said:
Aries,
Who said anything about Springfield 1911's? that is your assumption. I was saying to all you chineese knock off supporters that a lot of you go on about how good norinco is, and you bash US made products. Then you go and buy US parts to put on your top quality chineese knock off, and tell everyone it's better than the original. thats comedy in itself. Do I have to tell you again to refer to post 293. I put it there just for people like YOU. Anyways I'm done with this pissing match
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problem is. the norc 1911 doesn't need the extra parts to make it shoot as good as the Springfield. neither one is tight or a match gun. both shoot. but the fact the norc costs 4-500 as opposed to 1200 for a Springfield or a colt for a gun that will hit a target and go bang.

so you would rather spend 3 times the amount for the same gun with a crappy slide and frame..
and as i said, all you came here for was to troll. you have no intention of buying a norc no matter the price. so why come here and harp about quality you know nothing of, or price.

as i said go back under the rock you crawled out from under.
 
SQUAREHEAD1 said:
'Game set match?
... ' go back under the rock you crawled out from under'...??

Wow, at least Mike is Respectful in making his points unlike you two.
Pathetic, And who are the real trolls here?
No surprise tho as this is what happens every time there's a negative comment. No discussion, just immature name calling.
Proves my original point exactly.
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Haters gonna hate. My guess: You have yet to behold one yourself.
 
I tried to find where the thread got derailed. I couldnt. The only thing I have to add is if you dont think something is worth x dollars, dont buy it. It doesnt matter whether the product is US made or German or Chinese.
I have a Cooper rimfire as well as a Henry rimfire, which is better? The answer for me is the one I want to shoot that particular day!
So the long and short of is live and let live, life is too short to waste.
 
baldabe said:
I tried to find where the thread got derailed. I couldnt. The only thing I have to add is if you dont think something is worth x dollars, dont buy it. It doesnt matter whether the product is US made or German or Chinese.
I have a Cooper rimfire as well as a Henry rimfire, which is better? The answer for me is the one I want to shoot that particular day!
So the long and short of is live and let live, life is too short to waste.
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Well said. Nice to see a fair, unbiased approach.
 
Claven2 said:
Haters gonna hate. My guess: You have yet to behold one yourself.
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Claven2... Fellow shooter, Gun Nut brother. We share the same passion here, brother!! We're ultimately on the same side here, man! I don't hate anything, you understand that? No trolling or anything else you guys want to try painting this into. Just discussion, that's all. Nothing more than that.
Sorry for my part in this getting out of hand.
Peace,
 
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SQUAREHEAD1 said:
Claven2... Fellow shooter, Gun Nut brother. We share the same passion here, brother!! We're ultimately on the same side here, man! I don't hate anything, you understand that? All that Mike and I are saying is that Norinco makes an ok product for the price they sell at. $3000 is not that price!!(in our opinion). No trolling or anything else you guys want to try painting this into. Just discussion, that's all. Nothing more than that.
Sorry for my part in this getting out of hand.
Peace,
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but you are trolling. you come into a dealer forum to do nothing but harp about a price of something you have no intention of buying, and of something you have never seen or held in person. by all intents and purposes that is trolling. and would likely get you asked to leave a store if you did it in person.

would be like me going into a chevy dealership and complaining about the 40k+ price tag of a brand new corvette. i haven't seen one in person nor driven one. id be taken aside and asked to leave the dealership and never come back.
 
So; to return to something resembling the original thread. What should be the the group expectations at 100m from a semi-automatic DMR (Designated Marksman Rifle)?

Does anyoen know what size bulls eyes the military uses for 100m , 200m and simulated distances out to 800m when set at 100 or 200m? I'm unfamiliar with the standards used and have been concentrating on 2" and 4" bulls at 100 and 200m respectively. I found one source that lists using 6.5" at 100m and 12' at 200m.
 
best i would say with ammo loaded for the gun would be 1moa. would be a bit harder to get really accurate as semi's are never super shooters, and being mag fed you cant fit the really long bullets in properly.
 
tranman said:
Why does everyone instantly shy away from "Made in China"? Many of the things you depend on everyday are made in china: your phone, computer, tv and parts of your car....probably 70-90% of the stuff you own is made in China. I would bet on that.
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because all those said items you listed break, crap out and die.

for the record: my computer is made in taiwan, thailand and philippines (the main expensive parts anyways like mobo, CPU, GPU HD's.)
 
Next time you service your ford, blame the parts on China and see what the shop says.

Back to the topic . ppl actually get the best for the money when dealing with norc guns.

If u have biased views about the t88 solely on the basis of the country that made it ? Take a hike. We are here to exchange ideas about a particular firearm but not to listen to your BS abt some computer that never dies out.

t88 is a military spec DMR. I fired the original 5.8 mm so I offered my view. If you want to pay $500 they will make u a $500 rifle.but it does not mean they cannot make a 3000 rifle together with matching scope n acc.

Time to walk out the door and see the outside world. Good luck with your computer

LordEvilPepper said:
because all those said items you listed break, crap out and die.

for the record: my computer is made in taiwan, thailand and philippines (the main expensive parts anyways like mobo, CPU, GPU HD's.)
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I just had the displeasure of reading through this thread.... I always thought kiwi shooters were a bunch of whining, conclusion jumping, little girls; Kiwi shooters seem to be complete amateurs though compared to some of you guys.

Tactical Imports... wish we had someone like you in NZ
 
The most unreliable gun I ever owned was a Remington 742 in .30-06 made in the USA. The receiver chewed itself apart in under 100 rounds.

Back on topic.

I would suggest 1MOA with handloads is a reasonable expectation for a good quality semi-auto.
 
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