Update Beretta smashed, need a new gun see page 11 for advice

Win/64 said:
The OP bought a Beretta. How many rounds have you shot through the Yildiz? Do you have any pic's?
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Well that is certainly a nicer gun then any Yildiz. Ive got a few hundred rounds through it. Its been hunted with in sun, rain and snow. I forgot it on my dog kennel box on my truck and drove away, saw it fly out and hit the dirt...still works like new. Im quite impressed.
The wood is very nice as well as you can see with the pics.
Cheers!!

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scott_r said:
Well that is certainly a nicer gun then any Yildiz. Ive got a few hundred rounds through it. Its been hunted with in sun, rain and snow. I forgot it on my dog kennel box on my truck and drove away, saw it fly out and hit the dirt...still works like new. Im quite impressed.
The wood is very nice as well as you can see with the pics.
Cheers!!

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Sold around 2100 of these while I was the Distributor for the Maritimes & Quebec. Great hunting guns for the money -- only had 6 or 7 warranty calls.
They are well made with great parts service from the importer. From what I hear, CZ does not stock any depth in parts in Canada.
 
I wouldn't hesitate to purchase a Yildiz for a hunting gun,but I wouldn't purchase one if I was going to do a lot of clay target shooting.I am not overly confident that they will stand up to 100,000 rounds like a Browning or a Beretta.
 
stubblejumper said:
I wouldn't hesitate to purchase a Yildiz for a hunting gun,but I wouldn't purchase one if I was going to do a lot of clay target shooting.I am not overly confident that they will stand up to 100,000 rounds like a Browning or a Beretta.
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Yeah I think Id opt for Browning or Beretta if I was into skeet but Im a die hard Pheasant guy and so far this gun is awsome and it only cost me $600.
 
Well so much for the ####ing Beretta. It arrived today, the case is all nice and pretty, gun looks great...until you flip it over, the entire fore stock is smased in and has a chunk missing....
 
The weight on it is great. The fit seems to be fine for LOP, however my eye seems to line up at a slightly higher angle with the bead. A greater drop at the stock would correct this right? So does this mean I should look closer at the Brownings in the Citori?

The candidates now seem to be Beretta Silver Pigeon S in 12 Gauge 28"

Browning Citori Grand Lightning IV in 12 Gauge 8lbs 2 oz 26 inch barrel
Browning Citori 525 Feather 20 Gauge in at alittle over 5lbs 28"
Browning Citori Field 12 Gauge, 28" around 7.5lbs


I have never owned a 20 Gauge, is it versatile enough for everything from Trap, Geese, Ducks and Upland? Or should I just get the heavier guns which seem to be in the high 7 to low 8 pound range and stick with 12 Gauge.

Any ideas on this?
 
The fit seems to be fine for LOP, however my eye seems to line up at a slightly higher angle with the bead. A greater drop at the stock would correct this right? So does this mean I should look closer at the Brownings in the Citori?
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That is how Berettas fit me.The Citoris have the extra drop at the comb,and fit me much better.

I would call up Clay at Prophet River as he has a good selection of Citoris at great prices.I personally only own a 20gauge and 28gauge Citori,and no longer own any 12 gauge guns,but I don't hunt waterfowl.

catnthehat hunts ducks and geese with his 20gauge o/u guns,and does quite well at it, but then again,he isn't the average shooter either.
 
Yeah I bought the gun from Epps. I dont get how they didnt notice this. Its not a small crack the entire fore end is split in half. I dont believe this happened during shipping, this looks like a massive hard hit. Theres a large chunk missing from the wood as well. Pretty sloppy of them to not inspect it prior to shipping.

The other choice is the Franchi Classic in the Rennaisance, originally I was looking at the Field version, but Epps had to return that as the fore stock was cracked in half..

The Cynergies make me feel sort of ill looking at them.
 
USP said:
Yeah I bought the gun from Epps. I dont get how they didnt notice this. Its not a small crack the entire fore end is split in half. I dont believe this happened during shipping, this looks like a massive hard hit. Theres a large chunk missing from the wood as well. Pretty sloppy of them to not inspect it prior to shipping.

The other choice is the Franchi Classic in the Rennaisance, originally I was looking at the Field version, but Epps had to return that as the fore stock was cracked in half..

The Cynergies make me feel sort of ill looking at them.
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Was it shipped Canada Post? If so I wouldn't be so quick to blame it on Epp's.
 
Win/64 said:
Was it shipped Canada Post? If so I wouldn't be so quick to blame it on Epp's.
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Shipped UPS. It came in hard case, on the inside its covered in bubble wrap. There is no sign of any damage to the outside of the package in the cardboard. No scuffs or punctures or anything.

Picture the forestock with a large hunk missing that is cracked all the way through all the way along on one side. If this sort of damaged occured during shipping, the box or cardboard would at the very least be marred in some way.
 
USP said:
Shipped UPS. It came in hard case, on the inside its covered in bubble wrap. There is no sign of any damage to the outside of the package in the cardboard. No scuffs or punctures or anything.

Picture the forestock with a large hunk missing that is cracked all the way through all the way along on one side. If this sort of damaged occured during shipping, the box or cardboard would at the very least be marred in some way.
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Do you have any pic's of the damage? If not get some.
 
Win/64 said:
Do you have any pic's of the damage? If not get some.
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Not yet. Why you think Epps will give me grief on this? I have bought alot of stuff off of them in the past. It was shipped overnight service. It was really well packaged the hard case is very solid, I firmly believe that Epps didnt bother to inspect the gun prior to shipping.

I was thinking about driving up there tommorow.
 
USP said:
I read awhole lot on several forums including a ton of posts on Shotgunworld. I realize that most people who have a gun that works dont post and say its great and only mostly people with problem guns make post on the internet. That being said there was a huge amount of criticism of CZ or Huglo O/U shotguns.
I have had several CZ guns from rifles to handguns so I am not against the brand. But the amount of negative posts I read about Redhead and Mallard really put me off.

Perhaps the CZ guns are better now than they use to be. I dont know. I do know that decent gunsmiths are few and far between and I dont want to risk warranty work that can tie some guns up for months at some warranty depot.

Not to say the Beretta wont fall apart as like anything you can find lemons in all brands. Ironically enough this is the first Beretta I have ever owned, never got around to buying one before and I think its the only major brand I dont own or havent had in the past.

I have an invite for my first Goose hunt in a couple of weeks. I got a box of shot and a $3 hat today at Walmart.

I am ready to eat! :D
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If you read the SGW threads carefully you'll find that most of the bashing came from a few individuals who never missed an opportunity to slam the CZs, and that the bashing seems to have slowed down considerably since 2006.

And then there's this review by a couple of CGN's which gives a much more balanced view on CZ quality: http://members.shaw.ca/sharptail/CZReview.pdf

I just got a Partridge from Prophet River in the mail yesterday. It's considerably nicer than I expected and has no detectable issues, and is a hell of a lot nicer in every respect than the Baikals and Stoegers that I handled before ordering the CZ. I've yet to pattern it, so it may turn out to shoot all over the place and break after a few rounds, but I'm fairly optimistic at this point.
 
USP said:
Shipped UPS. It came in hard case, on the inside its covered in bubble wrap. There is no sign of any damage to the outside of the package in the cardboard. No scuffs or punctures or anything.

Picture the forestock with a large hunk missing that is cracked all the way through all the way along on one side. If this sort of damaged occured during shipping, the box or cardboard would at the very least be marred in some way.
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Damn shame. It is possible that this damage was done before the gun got to Epps and they didn't even look inside. I'd get the gun back to them ASAP and either demand a refund or have them replace the forend wood with another gun from their inventory and let them sort it out with Stoeger Canada.

On the stock drop I'd suggest handling a bunch of different guns when you are up at Epps to see which one fits you best.
 
Did you find termites or a beaver in the case with the gun? I'm surprised of the condition described, as Epps have a real good track record with me on descriptions & shipping. Oh well I guess sh!t occasionally happens when you deal with as many guns as them. I'd be real surprised if they don't make good with the story you have told us. Good Luck!
 
Yeah just spoke to the guy at Epps, he was trying to make it a warranty issue and saying they would get me a new stock...

Im going up there now. arghg
 
USP, what a shame about the damage. Things like that always leave a bad taste in your mouth. Were it me, I would not accept a new fore end as a replacement. I would want another gun. Who knows what other hidden damage may have resulted from the impact, and then there is the issue of matching wood.

However, when it comes to the stock fit I would not be so quick to jump to conclusions. By your own admission you are not (yet) a wing shooter. You have not had time to learn and perfect a proper mount. Shouldering a gun to shoot flying things takes a different technique than shooting a rifle or tactical style shotgun. Think of it - all the other sports you participate in require concentration on the sights, whereas wingshooting requires that you focus solely on the target.

What is important is that the gun shoots where you look, and you do not yet know where the 687 (or any other gun) is going to shoot for you.

Most off the rack shotguns will require some form of stock adjustment to fit the user perfectly anyway. In the case of a gun with a sloping stock like the 687, additional drop (should it be needed) can be achieved by the simple expedient of adding additional length of pull (via a spacer or replacement butt pad). You will not know this until you shoot the gun.

You seem to be a serious shooter who wishes to take up a new sport (bird hunting). You want to do this with a quality gun appropriate to the sport. For this I applaud you. For what it is worth, I think you made an excellent decision with the 687.

However, I think that while you have done much research and homework regarding the gun itself you may need to research wingshooting technique and style as it pertains to your own physique. Find a good instructor who can teach you an appropriate mount and swing. These skills will be of great value to you, far more than even the best gun. It is not really possible to evaluate gun fit until a proper and consistent technique has been achieved, and everyone is a little different in this respect. You have the luxury of having the time to be able to do this.

Please do not take this post as criticism. It is simply my way of trying to impart what I have learned the hard way over the years. I have spent more time and money going down blind alleys than I care to admit. When it comes to wingshooting you must consider the gun and the shooter as one entity, two parts of the same mechanism. You seem to have properly researched one half of that equation. Please forgive me if you have already taken the other half into account.


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USP, what a shame about the damage. Things like that always leave a bad taste in your mouth. Were it me, I would not accept a new fore end as a replacement. I would want another gun. Who knows what other hidden damage may have resulted from the impact, and then there is the issue of matching wood.
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Matching the wood is certainly a concern,and the other point is valid as well.

In the case of a gun with a sloping stock like the 687, additional drop (should it be needed) can be achieved by the simple expedient of adding additional length of pull (via a spacer or replacement butt pad). You will not know this until you shoot the gun.
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That is something that I for one,would not do.That is no different than lengthening the stock on a rifle to provide better eye relief for your scope.When I pay good money for a gun,I expect the proper LOP and a proper fitting stock.I won't sacrifice in one area,to gain in another.
 
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