UPDATE: From the horses mouth on indian made muskets *VIDEO/PICS ON PAGE 10*

mrclean89 said:
Well they are made from good steel and the dealers wouldnt be standing behind them if they were all pipe bombs.

So they make the barrels out of truck leaf springs ? Or the knives ?

Not sure if you know this but truck leaf springs make Excellent knives.

That would mean that yet again you are stating what blair said is untrue about the barrels.

I will ask you again, proof ?

Have you ever owned any of these india guns ?
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I know leaf springs make good knives if done right hanging on my wall is a Nepal made kukri not to bad but not the greatest. and I doubt the barrels are made from leaf springs or else there would be more story's of them exploding they are most likely made from low carbon scrap who knows
 
Antiqueguy; none of that speaks to Tiriaq's question. He asked you what evidence you had to substantiate your claim that the fellow from Loyalist Arms was lying

Relative to the video on kukris; my knees hurt just watching it. Wonder why he does not have his "anvil" mounted on some sort of platform so that he could work standing up?

cheers mooncoon
 
antiqueguy said:
I doubt the barrels are made from leaf springs or else there would be more story's of them exploding they are most likely made from low carbon scrap who knows
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If you read the original post again, you will note that Loyalist barrels are made from BS970 and that material is apparently specified by Loyalist Arms to the company making their guns in India

cheers mooncoon
 
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"who knows"

Well you sir quite obviously dont. Since the other manufacturers have stated exactly what their barrels are made from, I would suggest you withdraw your accusations until you have some form of proof. Lest you end up in a hole so deep you can no longer see daylight.

Although perhaps if you keep digging yourself into this hole you will one day end up all the way to india. Then you can find out for yourself how they are made and report back to us so we know for sure ;)
 
mooncoon said:
If you read the original post again, you will note that Loyalist barrels are made from BS970 and that material is apparently specified by Loyalist Arms to the company making their guns in India

cheers mooncoon
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if you look it up bs970 is a code for a bunch of random carbon/chromium steels the chromium would be a good choice if after forging and machining its normalized
 
I have a thread that I started about an Indian made gun that I purchased from dealer close to home.
For $500 I knew that I was getting a gun that would need lots of time and some good work to make happy - and it has been quite the exercise.
Yes, secondary workmanship was lacking but I knew that before I bought.
I checked the barrel plug and found it nicely threaded and a good fit.
Note that I proofed my gun 2 times using twice the amount of powder that this gun normally uses.
So instead of the standard 60 grains I used 120 grains and did it twice just to make sure. I used a caliper in several places before and after my proof. Nothing changed.

My buddy bought the same type gun from Loyalist Arms but it cost him $150 more - $650 not my $500.
For his $150 bucks he got a gun that Loyalist Arms had done a great job of cleaning up. It looked great. When I took the lock apart, all surfaces had been nicely smoothed out and were functioning well. An extra $150 bucks well spent!
I checked the plug. It was nicely threaded, fitted and secure. I proofed his the same way that I proofed mine.

So I have looked at 1 Indian gun that was inexpensive and lacking in workmanship. I looked at 1 Indian gun being sold by Loyalist Arms that looked and performed beautifully.
NONE of the 2 guns were pipe bombs waiting to happen. Both had decently threaded breech blocks and both were proofed at twice the normal amount of powder.

Mr. Antiqueguy. All I have seen from you is "no doubt" "most likely" and other non-substantive comments that are based on your personal suppositions and some YouTube guy making a knife from a leaf spring. Just because I make crooked knives from old files does not mean that everything made in Canada is made on the floor of an old garage. Just because I make rather crude knives doesn't mean that there aren't some Canadian craftsmen and artisans making beautiful knives.

Tarring everything and everybody with a broad brush just wrong.
FWIW
Ted
 
According to MVTC they use type:BS970 no.080M40

DOM tubing is available in the USA in AISI 1040 which is the equivalent of BS 970 no. 080M40. AISI 1040 has a tensile strength of roughly 89,000 PSI

If you refer to the white report written in 2007 It will list the tensile strength psi to be at 85,000 PSI.

This report is in reference to a bess that exploded.

Please read this and comment on it. Seems to me that they are plently strong enough unless you want to try and sit on the gun and shoot yourself into space...
 
mrclean89 said:
According to MVTC they use type:BS970 no.080M40

DOM tubing is available in the USA in AISI 1040 which is the equivalent of BS 970 no. 080M40. AISI 1040 has a tensile strength of roughly 89,000 PSI

If you refer to the white report written in 2007 It will list the tensile strength psi to be at 85,000 PSI.

This report is in reference to a bess that exploded.

Please read this and comment on it. Seems to me that they are plently strong enough unless you want to try and sit on the gun and shoot yourself into space...
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A tensile rating far beyond the originals, some of which are still being fired today. We all love shooting our antique firearms, even the cheaper made rimfires.... and yet afraid of new guns made with modern steels...

So I personally can't wait to sling some .75 cal round balls.

A pedersoli is still in the works to but it'll have to wait a few months.

I just really liked this one for some reason, I like plain jane guns.

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Yeah and im fairly certain this is stronger than 200 year old iron. Which I shoot and have not been killed either.

Wish you were a little closer so you could come out to our range. We have a great trail for pistol, rifle/smoothbore, and hawk and knife.

Post some pics when you get it!

I have mostly all really long guns and have being eyeing a carbine for a while but I cant quite decide.

Cheers, McLean
 
Damn it won't even let me save the pictures and upload to photobucket... ah well. When it gets here I'll be sure to post detailed pictures of it so that everyone can see what kind of quality it is ect.

And yeah, I wish I lived closer too, it'd be fun.
 
Speaking of using tubing for barrels, there is currently a thread in the Gunsmith section about plans to make a 24ga smoothbore Snider. The proposed barrel would use a piece of tubing cobbled together with the stump of a Lee Enfield barrel.
 
I have been following this thread and thought that I should add my experiences with India made guns. I have owned a Charleville made in India. We proof tested it with a double powder charge and then double balled. The gun came out fine. A friend has purchased several (from Loyalist Arms) guns and once again, all guns passed the proof test and have continued to be good solid guns.
 
I would suggest that you save your money and buy a proper firearm.
Trying to save money by buying cheap is usually not a good idea.
Extra body parts, fingers, etc., are hard to come by.
I would suspect that if your cheap musket blew up in your face, the company lawyers would claim you altered the product (drilled a vent hole), therefore voiding any warranty.

That being said; I seem to remember that there are companies in the US that were offering replacement barrels for the Indian made replicas.
 
There is one company that sells them an claims no liability that is military heritage. The other companies offer theirs with a warranty and stand behind their product.

Also the companies that offer rifled barrels do so to replace te smoothbore barrels on their "rifles" and example would be military heritage who sells a baker and provides a gunsmith in the states.
 
I had a amazing long land from Loyalist.....AMAZING!!

The worst preforming Indian muskets I have seen were all butchered by HACK "gunsmiths" and neglect...Then the gun was blamed for somehow being inferior.

Loyalist sells great muskets.
 
Musketfire said:
I had a amazing long land from Loyalist.....AMAZING!!

The worst preforming Indian muskets I have seen were all butchered by HACK "gunsmiths" and neglect...Then the gun was blamed for somehow being inferior.

Loyalist sells great muskets.
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Good to hear, I really like their customer service at this point and If I'm happy with my gun, I will be doing buisness with them again.
 
Glad to have stumbled across this thread. I checked the Loyalist website, looks like they have a decent product at a fair enough price. I always wanted a Bess replica, time to start saving pennies, oops, I mean nickels.
 
kennymo said:
Glad to have stumbled across this thread. I checked the Loyalist website, looks like they have a decent product at a fair enough price. I always wanted a Bess replica, time to start saving pennies, oops, I mean nickels.
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Glad I could help. They do have a lot of interesting pieces in their inventory, that's always a good thing.

I think my next purchase from them if my current gun is ok is their french 1777 cavalry carbine.
 
I have had my eye on their wheellock pistol for some time.

You can buy their guns rough assembled but none of the work done to them at a discount as well.
 
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