Update On Ontario Restricted Transfer Times

TBois said:
I've been in the firearms community longer than many of you have been alive (60+ yrs since I purchased my first) and in all those years I've yet to see a politician that would speed up the process of getting firearms into the publics hands.
Just speaking based on experience. It's a political dynamite issue.
Email all you want....my personal opinion is it won't do anything.
Besides, what can they do?
They won't hire people for a temporary influx of transfers.
Ask them to work faster? These are unionized gov't employees...not going to happen.

So what do you think a letter to Ford will actually do? Is he going to go to the CFO and wag his finger to get them to move faster? Of course not.

I realize the waits are long but I'm just glad an immediate ban like the AR's didn't happen so I'll take my wait time. If an immediate ban did happen, you would've said you would be more than happy to wait 2-3 months as long as you got them.

We live in an Amazon service type of world where we want everything the next day, but this situation is a little different.

Don't you have any other firearms you can shoot in the meantime? Or is it because you were brought up in an instant gratification world?

The fact you think 60,000 transfers initiated in 2 weeks shouldn't change service levels kind of says you're unrealistic. People wait longer for organ transplants.

Ask yourself honestly...what can they really do to speed up transfers? Nothing. Its a temporary situation.
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Your sentiment in this post is so similar to people who kept saying we are crazy if we believe the conservatives will remove the long gun registry. I guarantee you didn't believe they would at the time. I'm not quite as old as you but I'm old enough to understand how things can make us have a negative outlook on these situations but I'm also the type that believes it's always a loss if you never try, so I always try.
 
TBois said:
...Just speaking based on experience. It's a political dynamite issue...
Email all you want....my personal opinion is it won't do anything...
Besides, what can they do?...

Ask yourself honestly...what can they really do to speed up transfers? Nothing. Its a temporary situation...
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I agree for the most part BUT I do think there is ONE thing they can do...

Currently, my understanding is the CFO processes these transfers "in the order they are received"... If there are enough polite complaints about delays the Premier just might instruct the CFO to process transfers "in batches" so as to eliminate duplication of effort... That would streamline the system immediately & turn my TEN pending transfers into ONE event.

So, I would still encourage folks to politely complain to effect meaningful change at the CFO, be it additional staff OR more likely, streamlining of the process.
 
9mmGunGuy said:
I don't think a two month wait is saying "I want it now".
Grow up. Why are you arguing for longer waits?
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I’m not arguing for longer waits. Where do you see that?
The fact is the wait has always been there, Always been there! One day you may owe your life to a wait.
Grow up yourself. Have a look could be a App for you (How to Wait)
Oh whoa my wait is over off to PPC
 
TBois said:
I've been in the firearms community longer than many of you have been alive (60+ yrs since I purchased my first) and in all those years I've yet to see a politician that would speed up the process of getting firearms into the publics hands.
Just speaking based on experience. It's a political dynamite issue.
Email all you want....my personal opinion is it won't do anything.
Besides, what can they do?
They won't hire people for a temporary influx of transfers.
Ask them to work faster? These are unionized gov't employees...not going to happen.

So what do you think a letter to Ford will actually do? Is he going to go to the CFO and wag his finger to get them to move faster? Of course not.
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There’s lots that Ford can do to speed up the process. The CFO has 2 staff doing transfers, while other staff are doing other things, some of which are not top priorities. Many owners have multiple transfers in the Q, and they could all be done when the first one comes up in sequence. See… You just have to get a little creative. The CFO really doesn’t give a rats azz if we are a little inconvenienced, I am and fully expect a government agency to react when another government agency creates a problem.

Ask yourself honestly...what can they really do to speed up transfers? Nothing. Its a temporary situation.
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A temporary situation? So was income tax, how temporary was that?
 
Governments respond to public pressure that will hurt their voting prospects or their political brands...but even then it is not guaranteed they will do anything. Look at the passport issue (yes i know this is Federal), an issue that affects all Canadians not just alt-right racist misogynist gun owners with unacceptable views and is reported on regularly in the media yet still no real solutions. Meanwhile, there are no media reports of us poor gun owners having to wait 6 months for a transfer and even if there were, there would be no public sympathy among people who cant relate. In fact the media would be all over "Ford government takes action to get guns in hands faster". He just had an election and is "safe" for the next 4 years so not sure how incentivized he is to help us.

anyway, i guess you could try complaining but i am not optimistic

RL
 
Msgbrian said:
Just got transfer approval.
Purchase date June 1
Ref number 58891xx
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This is good news, update based on this:

Not-Proccessed-July25.jpg
 
TBois said:
I've been in the firearms community longer than many of you have been alive (60+ yrs since I purchased my first) and in all those years I've yet to see a politician that would speed up the process of getting firearms into the publics hands.
Just speaking based on experience. It's a political dynamite issue.
Email all you want....my personal opinion is it won't do anything.
Besides, what can they do?
They won't hire people for a temporary influx of transfers.
Ask them to work faster? These are unionized gov't employees...not going to happen.

So what do you think a letter to Ford will actually do? Is he going to go to the CFO and wag his finger to get them to move faster? Of course not.

I realize the waits are long but I'm just glad an immediate ban like the AR's didn't happen so I'll take my wait time. If an immediate ban did happen, you would've said you would be more than happy to wait 2-3 months as long as you got them.

We live in an Amazon service type of world where we want everything the next day, but this situation is a little different.

Don't you have any other firearms you can shoot in the meantime? Or is it because you were brought up in an instant gratification world?

The fact you think 60,000 transfers initiated in 2 weeks shouldn't change service levels kind of says you're unrealistic. People wait longer for organ transplants.

Ask yourself honestly...what can they really do to speed up transfers? Nothing. Its a temporary situation.
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Who said anything about instant gratification? I just want Ontario to be as fast as Alberta and Saskatchewan instead of being among the slowest provinces in the country... is that really too much to ask?
 
The other question that nobody wants to think of but could potentially be a reality is… if/when legislation drops, could it create a situation where all in-process transfers are cancelled? Can only imagine how happy the press release about it would make mr. Socks.
 
5885###
May 31 afternoon from store ON to ON
Email notice July 12 (Exactly 6 weeks)
Registration papers July 25 (13 days after email)

So a day short of 8 weeks total from purchase to being able to take it to the range. About double what it was pre-freeze announcement. Shout out to Easthill Outdoors for busting their asses & getting the transfer initiated on the same day as purchased!
 
jarewies said:
The other question that nobody wants to think of but could potentially be a reality is… if/when legislation drops, could it create a situation where all in-process transfers are cancelled? Can only imagine how happy the press release about it would make mr. Socks.
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actually this has been addressed several times in various threads...the CSAAA has confirmed that transfers already initiated will go through...a prominent lawyer (and member on CGN) also said there is ample case law to support the completion of transfers that are already initiated
 
RL1 said:
actually this has been addressed several times in various threads...the CSAAA has confirmed that transfers already initiated will go through...a prominent lawyer (and member on CGN) also said there is ample case law to support the completion of transfers that are already initiated
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RL1 is 100% spot on!

Here's what I posted when the question was asked by someone else.


Post 17 here: https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/for...y-transfers-have-been-assigned-to-Ontario-CFO

BurlewLLB said:
The CFO said that a transfer in the system with a reference number will be completed regardless of how the regulation or legislation of C-21 is dealt with by Parliament.

There is solid case law dating back to 1978 on this and the courts then made the Registrar complete the transfers and registrations begun before January 1 , 1978 when the law required all full auto be registered. This is solid law and applies here and the CFO is following that solid law.
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