Update On Ontario Restricted Transfer Times

Claven2 said:
No. It's not their fault their workload increased, but it IS their fault that every other province made adjustments and got their backlogs addressed by now except Quebec and Ontario. Ontario should have brought in over a dozen new processors as temp help to clear the backlog. They've had 5 months now to do that, what support they did bring in is like applying a bandaid to an amputation.
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This. They have had months to adjust, like any company or business would, to the increase in transfers. And all they have come up with is 2 weekends of overtime? Clearly that isn't going to cut it. People need to stop making excuses for this abysmal failure.
 
Hindsight is always 20-20. It's easy to say what the CFO should have done but they have brought in new people, are working on weekends and doing their level best to process the transfers. Calling them, suggesting freedom of information requests out of a misguided belief they are favoring certain retailers and other disruptions are only delaying the process. Call your MPP, email the Premier's office. If you've already done that then suck it up and be patient. We'll get our new toys eventually.
 
Old Ford47 said:
Considering the fact that there are in excess of four hundred posts on this issue, do you not think we should demand a change in the CFO's office.
He/she obviously can't do their job.
We should all contact our MP's demanding a change.
Perhaps that would make a change.
Here in Ontario, I have two transfers waiting, one on July 3/22 and another Aug. 30/22
Someone should be looking for a new job, due to their incompetence.
Signed: Grumpy Old Shooter
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OK we are all a little frustrated but realistically what is the solution. On top of the regular work the CFO office had they were given a 350% increase per day for the last 3 months in sale transfers lone. Like every other sector, there is already a shortage of workers in law enforcement as you can see by the recruitment drives everywhere. In the end this is a temporary problem with about a 4-6 month duration. Police departments across the country are saying that dealing with the firearms act changes are NOT their priority as they need boots on the ground dealing with the increased level of crime. Sooooo if you recruit new officers where do you put them. Certainly not approving handgun transfers. Yes it has been a couple months, but there are signs that the CFO office has recruited new workers to deal with transfers. That process takes time. These people are dealing with very personal and secure data so it takes time to get the right employees and fully train them. They have also given weekend work and overtime shifts. It may seem like there is a high level of incompetence/laziness, but few of us know the actual process that it takes to complete a handgun transfer so they may in fact be working all out at 110% and we do not know it.

I have 4 in the que and yes I would like to see them processed in a couple days like Nova Scotia but the fact is when we ordered them we were well aware that it may take months to get the transfers completed.
 
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Working all out 110%? Seems unlikely, weren't they off for like 4 days last weekend?

A primary solution would be, to fix the system such that verified R/PAL holders who are already subject to rigorous RCMP background checks AND the continuous eligibility screenings don't need such a thorough investigation for a simple restricted transfer.

A secondary solution would be, to better utilize the system so that it is possible to complete multiple (batch) transfers at once, which some CFO's clearly have no trouble doing.
 
Gindryden said:
OK we are all a little frustrated but realistically what is the solution. On top of the regular work the CFO office had they were given a 350% increase in sale transfers lone. Like every other sector, there is already a shortage of workers in law enforcement as you can see by the recruitment drives everywhere. In the end this is a temporary problem with about a 4-6 month duration. Police departments across the country are saying that dealing with the firearms act changes are NOT their priority as they need boots on the ground dealing with the increased level of crime. Sooooo if you recruit new officers where do you put them. Certainly not approving handgun transfers. Yes it has been a couple months, but there are signs that the CFO office has recruited new workers to deal with transfers. That process takes time. These people are dealing with very personal and secure data so it takes time to get the right employees and fully train them. They have also given weekend work and overtime shifts. It may seem like there is a high level of incompetence/laziness, but few of us know the actual process that it takes to complete a handgun transfer so they may in fact be working all out at 110% and we do not know it.

I have 4 in the que and yes I would like to see them processed in a couple days like Nova Scotia but the fact is when we ordered them we were well aware that it may take months to get the transfers completed.
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100% agree..a refreshing post on a Sunday morning! Some folks seem to think the government can hire 50 new people one day and have them approving transfers the next day../
 
Tarrantula said:
Working all out 110%? Seems unlikely, weren't they off for like 4 days last weekend?
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as I said we do not know what the actual process is and you only assume that everyone took a long weekend or the whole week off. That may be a fact but in the end there is nothing wrong with utilizing a holiday and getting a bit of extra time off to be with family or enjoy your fav recreation.

Tarrantula said:
A primary solution would be, to fix the system such that verified R/PAL holders who are already subject to rigorous RCMP background checks AND the continuous eligibility screenings don't need such a thorough investigation for a simple restricted transfer.
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Not sure this is part of the problem as other provinces seem to be able to process low transfer numbers in good time.

Tarrantula said:
A secondary solution would be, to better utilize the system so that it is possible to complete multiple (batch) transfers at once, which some CFO's clearly have no trouble doing.
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100% agree here but again we do not know what the legal/system process that is used in the Ontario CFO office. It would seem a simple solution that could be put in place but perhaps it is not, because if it were my office and that was a simple solution I would surely not be blowing my staffing budget hiring and training new staff
 
Gindryden said:
OK we are all a little frustrated but realistically what is the solution. On top of the regular work the CFO office had they were given a 350% increase per day for the last 3 months in sale transfers lone. Like every other sector, there is already a shortage of workers in law enforcement as you can see by the recruitment drives everywhere. In the end this is a temporary problem with about a 4-6 month duration. Police departments across the country are saying that dealing with the firearms act changes are NOT their priority as they need boots on the ground dealing with the increased level of crime. Sooooo if you recruit new officers where do you put them. Certainly not approving handgun transfers. Yes it has been a couple months, but there are signs that the CFO office has recruited new workers to deal with transfers. That process takes time. These people are dealing with very personal and secure data so it takes time to get the right employees and fully train them. They have also given weekend work and overtime shifts. It may seem like there is a high level of incompetence/laziness, but few of us know the actual process that it takes to complete a handgun transfer so they may in fact be working all out at 110% and we do not know it.

I have 4 in the que and yes I would like to see them processed in a couple days like Nova Scotia but the fact is when we ordered them we were well aware that it may take months to get the transfers completed.
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The other issue is that the current situation is temporary and once the deluge is passed there will be no more handgun transfers. The CFO will be left with a staff surplus and reducing staff can be a complicated and expensive process in a government agency. I'm in the queue like everyone else but am not demanding government hire more people at the taxpayer's expense just so I can get my new shooter a month or two sooner. I can think of better places for that money to be spent.
 
Arietta said:
The other issue is that the current situation is temporary and once the deluge is passed there will be no more handgun transfers. The CFO will be left with a staff surplus and reducing staff can be a complicated and expensive process in a government agency. I'm in the queue like everyone else but am not demanding government hire more people at the taxpayer's expense just so I can get my new shooter a month or two sooner. I can think of better places for that money to be spent.
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Agreed but there’s other solutions that they refuse to do that could speed up the process. They refuse to do batch transfers for those that have multiple transfers in the que and that’s just stubbornness and refusing to be more efficient. The Ontario CFO is an OPP officer and they could use officers that had to be placed on administrative assignments to be temporarily assigned to help.

There are options that they refuse to do and it appears that this problem that was created by the federal government is not their problem. A typical response from a government appointed agency.
 
From my estimates based on my transfers, it looks like Ontario are processing about 550/day. It’s going to be around a 8-12 month wait if initiated now.

This process should be automated.
They should be doing batch orders, i.e. process all outstanding orders for that person at once. This would save an immense amount of workload as they do not have to screen the applicant multiple times redundantly. This is especially true for business to private individuals.

I have empathy towards the Ontario CFO. They got screwed. However, inefficiency is inefficiency and there is room for improvement.
 
bush1 said:
Agreed but there’s other solutions that they refuse to do that could speed up the process. They refuse to do batch transfers for those that have multiple transfers in the que and that’s just stubbornness and refusing to be more efficient. The Ontario CFO is an OPP officer and they could use officers that had to be placed on administrative assignments to be temporarily assigned to help.

There are options that they refuse to do and it appears that this problem that was created by the federal government is not their problem. A typical response from a government appointed agency.
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It does not require a police officer to process transfers. They can hire temporary staff for the next 6 months to clean up the back logs on firearm transfers, Pal applications, ATCs, etc. They are released at the end of their contract, it looks good on their resume!!
 
1northernboy said:
It does not require a police officer to process transfers. They can hire temporary staff for the next 6 months to clean up the back logs on firearm transfers, Pal applications, ATCs, etc. They are released at the end of their contract, it looks good on their resume!!
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It does require background checks basically the same as what cops get because of the type of information being handled though.

... unless you are comfortable with random Joe Blow off the street being able to look into your firearms file...
 
1northernboy said:
It does not require a police officer to process transfers. They can hire temporary staff for the next 6 months to clean up the back logs on firearm transfers, Pal applications, ATCs, etc. They are released at the end of their contract, it looks good on their resume!!
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I certainly didn’t imply they needed police officers to process transfers, lol.

They do have officers that have been placed on administrative duties for a number of reasons that they could use. There’s lots of them that could be used. They don’t want to hire temporary staff that don’t have the qualifications that they want and they said it would take too long to train them at any rate.
 
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