UPDATE: Rossi Ranch Hand Mares Leg

Kanaima said:
Hey Shortround! (Appropriate name!) You do realize what this thread is all about, don't you? We are talking about a rifle with a 12" barrel! So even with a full stock it tops out at a hair over 29". Look at the picture in case you stumbled in here by mistake.


RanchHand by sunstruck1, on Flickr

HISTORY LESSON: Barrel length NOT stock length dictates the type of rifle. A full size rifle is typically considered to be a rifle with a full length barrel. What is a full length barrel? Room for argument here but typically acknowledged to be an off the shelf battle or hunting rifle, barrel lengths of 26 - 30+" are common. When soldiers started riding horses and then sitting in vehicles it was decided that a rifle with a shorter barrel might be more convenient. This shorter barrelled rifle was called a carbine. Barrel lengths for these rifles WAS typically between 16 - 22". And then real short barrelled rifles started to come on the scene. Carbines with 12" and even shorter (sub-carbines), barrels are not uncommon, now. Any of these rifles can be equipped with full stocks, folding stocks, collapsible stocks, cut down stocks and in some cases no stocks.

But I think the real point here is what's it to you what I do with my rifle? I couldn't find a lever action bush rifle with a 12" barrel and a full length stock...so I built one! And boy am I happy with it! Modifying weapons (or vehicles, homes, furniture, landscapes, people, etc) happens to be human nature. And if you have any doubt about that maybe you need to reread this thread because right from the start people have taken this amazing little rifle and made it their own...just saying.
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With the full stock and safety location rear sight how do you find it shoots?

I am in the group buy for a full laminate stock set and plan to upgrade my sights once my new stock arrives.

Looks like Steve's green front and safety rear.

Can you give us your findings on POA vs POI with the full stock and sight setup?

Thanks.
 
To "butt" in - I found my groups tightened up considerably with the butt stock. Even holding the gun stable on a table, without the butt I was having problems. No empirical evidence as I was shooting at juice containers :p and shooting el cheapo barry's plated bullets which shoot only slightly better than round balls :p,,, but it does help.
 
anyone else take their bolt out of their rifles?

I have been working on mine, I had a few parts fail completely. I got looking at my bolt, it is very rough, was extremely rough getting in and out and I found the bottom of the bolt was flared out badly to the point it was extremely difficult to get the bolt out.

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When I got the bolt out I found that the bolt face was missing a part, looks like it was very roughly machined or broke off.

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Does anyone know if the bolt supports the cartridge base, I do run fullish power loads through my gun...

Is this cosmetic only or something I should be concerned about?

I started looking at my spent brass, they all have the same line/damage across the primer and 2 dings in the case that line up with the missing supported area. Maybe I am WAY over analyzing this though... As I work up a hand load in the future I want to make sure my gun is supporting my cases correctly. EVERY piece of brass shows the same primer contact/damage looks like contact with the ejector?

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The two dings are at the bottom by W-W and the primer contact goes from the R in super to the R in rem.

Any ideas folks?
 
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That is a fairly average load from a reputable Canadian company.

Not even a hot round. 230 or 240 grain projectile and fairly average velocity.

Thankfully I haven't ran anything truly hot through the rifle. But I bought this gun to be my perfect woods gun... But the more I dig the more worried I become!!!
 
I have run some pretty hot loads through mine and haven't had a single problem. Perhaps quailty control isn't very good, could be hit and miss.
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Nice fireball.

I WANT to run hot loads through mine but the more I check the more I am not comfortable with the quality of my rifle. This isn't a statement on ALL of these handy little rifles, but mine seems to be pretty bad QC. Now it is out of the "warranty" period and with likely needing a new bolt and cartridge guide I am likely holding a very expensive .44 caliber paper weight.
 
G.Mitchell said:
anyone else take their bolt out of their rifles?

I have been working on mine, I had a few parts fail completely. I got looking at my bolt, it is very rough, was extremely rough getting in and out and I found the bottom of the bolt was flared out badly to the point it was extremely difficult to get the bolt out.

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When I got the bolt out I found that the bolt face was missing a part, looks like it was very roughly machined or broke off.

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Does anyone know if the bolt supports the cartridge base, I do run fullish power loads through my gun...

Is this cosmetic only or something I should be concerned about?

I started looking at my spent brass, they all have the same line/damage across the primer and 2 dings in the case that line up with the missing supported area. Maybe I am WAY over analyzing this though... As I work up a hand load in the future I want to make sure my gun is supporting my cases correctly. EVERY piece of brass shows the same primer contact/damage looks like contact with the ejector?

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The two dings are at the bottom by W-W and the primer contact goes from the R in super to the R in rem.

Any ideas folks?
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Looks like you are missing your ejector unless you just didnt put it back in for the picture. otherwise things look normal, but rough. It looks like a piece broke off on yours, but I looked at mine and it has the same cut, just cleaner and more straight. so I think you still have a functional rifle, although I cannot be held liable for mishaps :D

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Here is a Pic of mine in the gun (It takes too long to disassemble).

Also it looks like you have your ejector assembly in the bolt in one photo and claim it to be missing where it is not present in another...?? Did you misplace it?

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It is the primer flow or whatever you want to call it that worries me. All the parts are in place and ALL brass was fired while rifle still functioned 100%. I haven't been able to fire it since the cartridge guide failed...

I looked at it more and the primer seems to have been pushed into a gab between the bolt face and the ejector. The gap between the bolt and ejector is sloppy and that is where the primer seem to get pushed into. My worry is this is with factory ammo not some full tilt 300 grain hardcast load.

I am no gunsmith but primer getting pushed into cracks seems bad. It is every piece of brass. Maybe my rifle bolt isn't fully in battery, head space issue? I have no idea.

Was hoping to pick the brains of the much more knowledgeable membership. :)

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The two dings by the W-W are caused by the extractor not the missing area. I was able to line up my brass on the bolt and line up the primer flow and prove my extractor is chewing up my brass not the missing face...
 
Had a look at my boltface and it is not missing any pieces and I checked all my brass and no marks on them either. Yours does not look like mine.
 
Driller, no I took the ejector out for the pictures. All parts are here it is the damage/missing support area of the bolt on the left side if the bolt was in the rifle... It is clearest in the 2nd photo.

I am not missing "parts" as such it is the missing portion of the bolt face or support area. Maybe it is not there on any of the bolts.
 
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between my bolt and ejector there is 0.0215" of space, that space perfectly matches the damage to my brass/primer.

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the missing area on my bolt face is 0.205" by 0.084" by 0.0425" it is a chunk that is just gone. not a missing part per se but missing steel.

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the ejector sits 0.0215" out past the bottom of the bolt, it is the shiny part centered over my finger, doesn't seem like much but could it not fully allow the bolt to go into battery?

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brass expands uniformly from 0.4555" to 0.4600" so my chamber seems uniform at least. :)
 
G.Mitchell, my ejector also sticks out somewhat. I find when I close the bolt it does rest against the receiver and the spring allows the ejector to move back so that the bolt can go into battery. I find in disassembly that it can be sticky, but once I get the gun back together it works fine. This is just from what I am seeing. I am not sure if it helps, but hopefully it does. I am digging out my gun again to see if my bolt has that small part missing in the right side.

Edit: on closer inspection my bolt does not appear to have this piece missing which leads me to believe that you do in fact have a piece missing from your bolt face.

Sorry to hear your gun has problems by the way. I have had my share of that this year with my M14 :/
 
Thanks driller212. Part of the fun of guns for me is tinkering. But sometimes it goes beyond that.

My ejector sticks out w/o the spring in it.

I'm trying to figure out if I have a lemon or money pit before I start trying to track down parts.

It's the blot face and primer issues that concern me.

I'll keep you guys posted on what I find out.
 
The rifle shoots great. 1/2" high at 25 yds. bang on at 50 yds. And I've still got room to adjust the poa up or down. I've posted a picture of a 50 yd. target a few pages back. I'm sure I could get down to 1" 50yd groups off a rest. The front sight is awesome, the rear could be a little more robust. I haven't had any issues with it and I sure don't baby the rifle but it is a pretty thin mounting post. And I would/will paint a white circle on the inside face of the peep sight to give a better reference. That'll tighten the groups up even more. I went with this rear sight over the dovetail peep sight because I wanted a longer sight radius. The full length stock is the best mod I've done to this gun. For me it took it from being an inaccurate, wobbly shooter to being a really practical, fast handling and accurate rifle. And she still gathers crowds at the range! I am also going to get that lever reworked as others have done, then she'll be perfect.
 
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Sorry, newbie question....So these are non restricted????

First time I look into these since I thought the were restricted.

I really want one now...
 
What's a good price on one of these, now that they have been available for a while in Canada? Are they selling for much less slightly used?
 
They haven't really been around long enough to find out :p Not seeing many for sale second hand. I suppose some people might sell at a loss, but trick is catching them before someone else gets it.... they're sweet guns :D
 
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