No shortage of .22 LR up here (no, it's not Chinese. U.S. made) and the price hasn't gone up for this cartridge noticeably for years. Lots of selection found just about everywhere in the "True North, Strong and Free"
US Military to purchase 2.5 Million rounds of Russian 7.62 x 39 mm ball ammo
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No shortage of .22 LR up here (no, it's not Chinese. U.S. made) and the price hasn't gone up for this cartridge noticeably for years. Lots of selection found just about everywhere in the "True North, Strong and Free"
All I need is to win the next Presidential election and I can make that happen. lol!
2.5 million rounds is SFA to the US Army and Marine Corps.
Both orgs train their combat personnel to use captured enemy rifles, pistols, and machine guns.
It makes sense that to train people to use them, you know ya gotta SHOOT the damned things. For that, you need ammo.
It's a hell of a lot cheaper to BUY the surplus stuff than to retool or add on to the Lake City ammo plant.
The conspiracy nutz here are just, well, nutz!
Both orgs train their combat personnel to use captured enemy rifles, pistols, and machine guns.
It makes sense that to train people to use them, you know ya gotta SHOOT the damned things. For that, you need ammo.
It's a hell of a lot cheaper to BUY the surplus stuff than to retool or add on to the Lake City ammo plant.
The conspiracy nutz here are just, well, nutz!
I'm set for a few years. After the first panic in '08, I stocked up once it became available again at fair prices. I have a f/a Uzi with a .22 conversion to feed.
No shortage of .22 LR up here (no, it's not Chinese. U.S. made) and the price hasn't gone up for this cartridge noticeably for years. Lots of selection found just about everywhere in the "True North, Strong and Free"
Interesting. .22lr is unavailable here...even all of the odd stuff like shorts are gone. The shelves are bare, even in my area, but I'm not concerned about restocking yet.
My friend in Michigan is paying around $4.20 US for a box of 50 .22cal. Limited to 2 boxes a day so goes almost every single day to purchase. Wife just got a Rugger .22 handgun and carry permit so she needs to practice a lot. Talked to him last weekend and he had 4,000 rounds left.
Like the US government is stooopid enough to outright buy 7.62x39 and then ship it to the SLA. Come on....CIA does those deals behind fake business names all the time, no need for US Gov to put their signature anywhere on it.
This is training ammo, if you think its anything else you are wound up way too tight.
This is training ammo, if you think its anything else you are wound up way too tight.
No major 22lr shortage in my area that I have seen either. Like everyone has said 2.5 million rounds is very little for the US military and is probably used for training purposes although I really don't know. And finally the best thing I like to do with tinfoil is a little delicious potato medley I like to whip up when I'm BBQ'ing. Take some Yukon golds or good quality white potato and either peel it or not, up to you; then chop it up fairly small, next chop some onion and mix the potato and onion together with some salt, pepper and a good helping of montreal steak spice. Lay out some tinfoil and lightly coat with olive oil, then melt butter and mix it in with the potato mixture. Finally put the potato, onion, salt, pepper, steak spice all immersed in butter in the lightly olive oiled tinfoil and wrap up, use second piece of tinfoil to wrap around the first piece for added strength and stabilty/buffer. Finally fire up the BBQ and put this on the top rack to cook, about 15-20 minutes before you cook your desired meat and by the time your done cooking your meat the potato medley will be done, also flip the bundle half way through, so delicious and tinfoil worthy!!!
The Americans may have done this in the Vietnam war, to some effect. I highly doubt they continue to do it.
well we have conspiracy, religion, hate, and now recipes... im still a little suprised this thread is open (although im stealing you potato recipe to try with my steak tommorow sigrunes)
Where is the hate part?
And if you've used all your tinfoil making headgear, try cutting potatoes in half, brush them with olive oil and a pinch of steak spice and throw them right on the grill. I like to start them on the main grill a little while before the meat. Get them a little charred here and there on both sides then move them to the top rack to finish while you do the steaks. This also works well with thick slices of zuccini.
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I'm sure marstar buys almost that much commie ammo in a year
sigrunes.That sounds like a great receipe and a great use of tinfoil. Speaking of tinfoil,whatever has happened to the OP?
He got upset we weren't willing to go to war with the Muslims.
Just wait until these monkeys start medling with our favorite calibre ammo then
we will all be shooting 22 Long Rifle. I'm sure you have already felt this hit at the
local grocery store/gas station.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1an7j6cmjUw
The gun hating CBC/Communists ran this storey as well,
guess they were forced to because it was out there in a
big way and they coudn't ignore it.
we will all be shooting 22 Long Rifle. I'm sure you have already felt this hit at the
local grocery store/gas station.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1an7j6cmjUw
The gun hating CBC/Communists ran this storey as well,
guess they were forced to because it was out there in a
big way and they coudn't ignore it.
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this- Syrians Place Booby-Trapped Ammunition in Rebels’ Guns
-http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/20/world/middleeast/syrian-government-booby-traps-rebels-ammunition.html
yrians Place Booby-Trapped Ammunition in Rebels’ Guns
Dirty Tricks in Syria’s Civil War: C.J. Chivers, a New York Times correspondent, reports from Syria on government attempts to seed the black market with altered ammunition to maim and kill rebel soldiers.
By C. J. CHIVERS
Published: October 19, 2012
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DEIR SONBUL, Syria — The government of Syria, trying to contain a rapidly expanding insurgency, has resorted to one of the dirty tricks of the modern battlefield: salting ammunition supplies of antigovernment fighters with ordnance that explodes inside rebels’ weapons, often wounding and sometimes killing the fighters while destroying many of their hard-found arms.
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A booby-trapped round mangled the right hand of Muhammad Saleh Hajji Musa, a Syrian rebel, when it exploded in his rifle.
The practice, which rebels said started in Syria early this year, is another element of the government’s struggle to combat the opposition as Syria’s military finds itself challenged across a country where it was not long ago an uncontested force. The government controls the skies, and with aircraft and artillery batteries it has pounded many rebel strongholds throughout this year. But the rebels continue to resist, mostly with small arms.
Doctored ammunition offers an insidious way to undermine the rebels’ confidence in their ammunition supply while simultaneously thinning their ranks.
“When they do this, you will lose both the man and the rifle,” said Ghadir Hammoush, the commander of a fighting group in Idlib Province who said he knew of five instances in which rifles had exploded from booby-trapped ammunition.
The practice has principally involved rifle and machine-gun cartridges, but also the projectiles for rocket-propelled grenades and perhaps mortar rounds, according to interviews with more than a half-dozen rebel leaders in Syria and many fighters, as well as an examination of shattered rifles and the contents of a booby-trapped cartridge. The tactic is highly controversial, in that it is potentially indiscriminate.
The primary source for doctored ammunition has been the Syrian government, which mixes exploding cartridges with ordinary rounds on the black markets through which rebels acquire weapons, the commanders said.
Some booby-trapped ammunition may also have entered Syria from Iraq, where during the most recent war the Pentagon and the Central Intelligence Agency secretly passed doctored ammunition to insurgent groups, several American veterans and officials said.
The United States runs a similar program in Afghanistan, trying to undermine the Taliban. The United States has provided humanitarian and communications aid to the Syrian rebels, but has refused to supply weapons of any kind.
The practice of manufacturing and surreptitiously distributing tampered military equipment that explodes at unexpected times has a long history, but it is not often publicly documented as it happens. The British and German militaries used the tactic in World War II, and the United States developed exploding Kalashnikov ammunition in the 1960s and leaked it to South Vietnamese guerrillas and North Vietnamese soldiers.
One classified American ordnance intelligence document, viewed by The New York Times, suggests that the Soviet Union pursued a similar program in Afghanistan in the 1980s.
Governments labor to keep their doctored-weapons programs secret, in part because they are potentially indiscriminate and often provide enemy forces with working ammunition, with which the rigged ammunition has been mixed. The tactic can also jeopardize friendly forces, causing casualties or destroying weapons among government troops or proxies — raising political sensitivities and eroding morale.
Nicholas Marsh, a research fellow at the Peace Research Institute Oslo who covers arms and arms trafficking, said that for these reasons, while there are many precedents, the tactic is not widespread.
“The problem with them is the same as with land mines,” Mr. Marsh said. “You can’t be sure who is going to pick up and try to use the spiked ammunition.”
In many cases in Syria, the spiked ammunition found its intended target: fighters seeking to overthrow President Bashar al-Assad. The wounding of Muhammad Saleh Hajji Musa, 36, in the highlands of Jebel al-Zawiya, provided an example.
Mr. Musa was part of a group that had surrounded a government checkpoint late this spring and was pressing its attack. As he fired his rifle, he said, there was an explosion between his hands. It knocked him over.
“I thought a shell had landed on me,” he said. Mr. Musa’s face was badly cut, and his right hand was mangled. He spent months convalescing, but he is now fighting again. His hand remains twisted and scarred.
-http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/20/world/middleeast/syrian-government-booby-traps-rebels-ammunition.html
yrians Place Booby-Trapped Ammunition in Rebels’ Guns
Dirty Tricks in Syria’s Civil War: C.J. Chivers, a New York Times correspondent, reports from Syria on government attempts to seed the black market with altered ammunition to maim and kill rebel soldiers.
By C. J. CHIVERS
Published: October 19, 2012
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DEIR SONBUL, Syria — The government of Syria, trying to contain a rapidly expanding insurgency, has resorted to one of the dirty tricks of the modern battlefield: salting ammunition supplies of antigovernment fighters with ordnance that explodes inside rebels’ weapons, often wounding and sometimes killing the fighters while destroying many of their hard-found arms.
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Bryan Denton for The New York Times
A booby-trapped round mangled the right hand of Muhammad Saleh Hajji Musa, a Syrian rebel, when it exploded in his rifle.
The practice, which rebels said started in Syria early this year, is another element of the government’s struggle to combat the opposition as Syria’s military finds itself challenged across a country where it was not long ago an uncontested force. The government controls the skies, and with aircraft and artillery batteries it has pounded many rebel strongholds throughout this year. But the rebels continue to resist, mostly with small arms.
Doctored ammunition offers an insidious way to undermine the rebels’ confidence in their ammunition supply while simultaneously thinning their ranks.
“When they do this, you will lose both the man and the rifle,” said Ghadir Hammoush, the commander of a fighting group in Idlib Province who said he knew of five instances in which rifles had exploded from booby-trapped ammunition.
The practice has principally involved rifle and machine-gun cartridges, but also the projectiles for rocket-propelled grenades and perhaps mortar rounds, according to interviews with more than a half-dozen rebel leaders in Syria and many fighters, as well as an examination of shattered rifles and the contents of a booby-trapped cartridge. The tactic is highly controversial, in that it is potentially indiscriminate.
The primary source for doctored ammunition has been the Syrian government, which mixes exploding cartridges with ordinary rounds on the black markets through which rebels acquire weapons, the commanders said.
Some booby-trapped ammunition may also have entered Syria from Iraq, where during the most recent war the Pentagon and the Central Intelligence Agency secretly passed doctored ammunition to insurgent groups, several American veterans and officials said.
The United States runs a similar program in Afghanistan, trying to undermine the Taliban. The United States has provided humanitarian and communications aid to the Syrian rebels, but has refused to supply weapons of any kind.
The practice of manufacturing and surreptitiously distributing tampered military equipment that explodes at unexpected times has a long history, but it is not often publicly documented as it happens. The British and German militaries used the tactic in World War II, and the United States developed exploding Kalashnikov ammunition in the 1960s and leaked it to South Vietnamese guerrillas and North Vietnamese soldiers.
One classified American ordnance intelligence document, viewed by The New York Times, suggests that the Soviet Union pursued a similar program in Afghanistan in the 1980s.
Governments labor to keep their doctored-weapons programs secret, in part because they are potentially indiscriminate and often provide enemy forces with working ammunition, with which the rigged ammunition has been mixed. The tactic can also jeopardize friendly forces, causing casualties or destroying weapons among government troops or proxies — raising political sensitivities and eroding morale.
Nicholas Marsh, a research fellow at the Peace Research Institute Oslo who covers arms and arms trafficking, said that for these reasons, while there are many precedents, the tactic is not widespread.
“The problem with them is the same as with land mines,” Mr. Marsh said. “You can’t be sure who is going to pick up and try to use the spiked ammunition.”
In many cases in Syria, the spiked ammunition found its intended target: fighters seeking to overthrow President Bashar al-Assad. The wounding of Muhammad Saleh Hajji Musa, 36, in the highlands of Jebel al-Zawiya, provided an example.
Mr. Musa was part of a group that had surrounded a government checkpoint late this spring and was pressing its attack. As he fired his rifle, he said, there was an explosion between his hands. It knocked him over.
“I thought a shell had landed on me,” he said. Mr. Musa’s face was badly cut, and his right hand was mangled. He spent months convalescing, but he is now fighting again. His hand remains twisted and scarred.
