Valmet M78/AK74

What we need is a new receiver that could be argued with the same reasons the Valmet was argued into approvement... Wasnt there someone that wanted to try and import the Saiga, that one version with the smaller receiver that would not accept full auto parts?

Cheers,
Alex
 
why not contact sako and ask about the rights to valmet if you had permission/license to use the name a manufacture could make valmet rifles and all would be legal as they would be "valmet"
 
CanAm said:
I'll remember that next time I see another Canadian-made Valmet M78.;)
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I sure hope your not saying that to me ..because if it is..your wrong

but then it really doesn't matter if I even had frame by frame pictures of the work I did to modify it to fit the front trunnion...there will always be some "expert" on here that thinks they know everything

I'm done with this
 
Valmet is still a registered trademark in Canada, now owned by Metso Paper Inc. for use on many products, including firerms, ammunition and projectiles.
 
gunplumberr said:
I sure hope your not saying that to me ..because if it is..your wrong

but then it really doesn't matter if I even had frame by frame pictures of the work I did to modify it to fit the front trunnion...there will always be some "expert" on here that thinks they know everything

I'm done with this
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Don't worry I'm not. I would have quoted your text if I were.

On a similar note: I am interested in this subject of making a gun which is not restricted. It is not illegal to make a gun in this country. We have several manufacturers in Canada. If a verifier, trained by the government, states a gun is a Valmet M78, it is, and is non-restricted. The issue is can a Valmet M78 be made in Canada, and still be a Valmet M78? I will call the techs tomorrow.
 
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wasnt the main reason the Valmet made it in was because of barrel length and calibre and the fact that it was marketed as hunting gun?
 
greentips said:
I hate to say that, but this is really pushing it. I can register a company named "Bushmaster" but does that mean I can sell my " bushmaster" the same as the "bushmaster made in the US??

It is like the AR10-they can buy the trademark "Armalite" but the AR10 they sell is not the same AR10. The rule is very specific about the make of the firearm-which is a rifle made by Valmet, model number 78.

There are people who made their own AK receivers and stamped "Valmet" on them. That kinda of thing will not be allowed on CGN. I am afraid to say that any verifier who knowingly certift such firearms as "Valmet" had committed a fraud. if that's the case, why can't I just get a mini-14 and stamp AR15 on it??? Yeh, the AR15 said "Mini-14" in the marking.....
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The FRT states "Made in Finland" by SAKO, make VALMET, Model M78. Also the FRT is specific about calibres and barrel lengths. The question is what part of the FRT can be changed using the "Non-Commercial Customization" class.
 
i'm just curious how you can take a nonrestricted firearm and reclass it as restricted. i tried this two years ago and everybody from the CFC all the way to the head RCMP guy told me that was illegal.
 
I believe (feel free to jump on me if I'm wrong) that an individual can not cut down a barrel to make a restricted from a non restricted ( "sawed off " = bad ) however rebarrelling is not the same. Since the barrel in question is not cut down and was manufactured and chambered at it's current length it's OK.

...and as far as Valmet being good and AK being bad - well that's just stupid f*cking bureaucrats at work, they wouldn't admit to supplying "bad guns" to Canadians so they pretended the Valmet wasn't an AK derivative.
 
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You ca take a 10/22 (non restricted) and put a krinker kit on it and reclass it as a resticted.. Should be legal to do it to a different rifle..
 
The english translation states 'The majority of the assault rifles used are made in Finland. With the addition of guns bought from China and Germany in the early 1990s, all Defence Forces wartime troops are equipped with assault rifles.

The latest models are more versatile than the older ones, and can be used to fire rifle grenades.'
PROPERTIES
(7.62, model Rk 95)

fully automatic gun with burst fire and single-shot mode
calibre 7.62 mm
muzzle velocity 715 m/s
burst fire rate 650 shots/min
maximum burst rate in practice 120-180 shots/min
single-shot fire 20-30 shots/min
longest effective shooting distance 300 m
longest shooting distance of rifle grenades 300-400 m
effective radius of fragmentation grenade 10-20 m
weight without magazine 3.8 kg
magazine holds 30 cartridges
length 93 cm, folded 67 cm
option for telescopic and night vision sight
option for silencer
made in Finland

h tt p://www.mil.fi/maavoimat/kalustoesittely/00042_en.dsp
 
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greentips said:
Why don't you just get a production license off SAKO, since Valmet was bought out by SAKO long time ago. I don't think they really give a damn anymore.
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I have thought about it. It comes down to the old no market in Canada issue.
 
well i bet youd sell maybe 2000 units in Canada tops if you got the license

BUT if you could get ATF aproval to import them into the U.S as recievers only youd sell a ton as they have LOTS of parts kits that have no recievers

you could make a killing if the cards all fell right!
 
Of course the 95 is made there, and other Valmet models for that matter. My latest info is that new sales are type 56s (2005 info). So if they are not being made......maybe someone can get the rights.
 
contact148 said:
well i bet youd sell maybe 2000 units in Canada tops if you got the license

BUT if you could get ATF aproval to import them into the U.S as recievers only youd sell a ton as they have LOTS of parts kits that have no recievers

you could make a killing if the cards all fell right!
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Lots of people already do this in the US. Arsenal even set up K-Var to make their guns in the US and sent engineers to assist. You can't import AK recievers or barrels into the US.
 
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